Fwd: NP but RIP Hugh Hefner --since no one else here might.

Mon Oct 9 05:54:45 CDT 2017

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From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: NP but RIP Hugh Hefner --since no one else here might.
To: Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>

Well, maybe so but she seems like some kind of genuine fraud, if that
oxymoron doesn't have Jerky laughing at me again.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, that's pretty good...re Nietzsche: who else USES him in cultural
> commentary? That musta been what this guy's attempt to be a phony NY
> intellectual liked....and, it did pierce the world in one or two ways until
> I finally learned to get Pynchon more deeply.
>
> Can there be some 'thinkers' who ruin all their insight with a politics
> that converts insights into awfulness? Many artists we like are vile
> political thinkers.... I do remember arguing with my college buddy---who
> although he got beaten but also laid at the 68 convention became too Right
> wing and irreality based by our sixties, which is more circumstantial
> evidence for the other Mark---who loved her that I thought THAT was true
> enough but not the conclusions she drew....
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 6:18 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Molly Ivins had Paglia's number from Day One:
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20080306071615/http://www.motherj
>> ones.com/news/update/2007/02/MJ_1991_Sept_Ivins.pdf
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ROTFLMAO! I'd actually taken your "wtf Mark?" as a challenge to my
>>> dismissal.
>>>
>>> Maybe because I did my Honors thesis on Nietzsche in 1993, and thus was
>>> steeped in his work for the better part of two years, her take on his
>>> philosophy didn't seem so revolutionary or even interesting or insightful
>>> to me. Maybe it's because I've never seen her make a policy argument that I
>>> couldn't instantly rebut in a definitive and final way. Whatever the case,
>>> she has NEVER impressed me. She's a pseudophilosophical, dykey female
>>> Quentin Tarrantino.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> just occurred to me that "wtf Mark" is NOT CLEARLY self-referential
>>>> since the other Mark has
>>>> spoken...I meant me and my confusion....
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I"m decidedly with Kai here. Very good to be reminded of Nietsche
>>>>> here, yes...although I did not read the whole book and
>>>>> "got" what I did of it it in my busy fitful broken string
>>>>> ways.......she confused and stretched me...and angered and left me
>>>>> uncertain....
>>>>>
>>>>> and still, her politics then and now, drawn out of somewhere she went
>>>>> brilliantly seldom matched mine....therefore, wtf Mark?
>>>>> But on beauty...something there there....
>>>>>
>>>>> here's a  tidbit o publishing .....this book was MADE---made to sell
>>>>> as it means---by a Zarathustran superwoman of PR and
>>>>> review-getting......so passionate and hard-working about this book
>>>>> that she more than willed the attention it got......I heard about her,
>>>>> working day and night for it, able to argue its importance in a single
>>>>> bound, able to book Camille from Portland to Portland, etc......
>>>>> .I wanted to meet her within the industry but never did,.....
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <
>>>>> lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ja, ja, sehr interessant ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can recommend *Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti
>>>>>> to Emily Dickinson* wholeheartedly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paglia is an American with a genuine understanding of Nietzsche.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.10.2017 um 14:25 schrieb Mark Thibodeau:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite possibly the only "feminist" writer more pedantic and less
>>>>>> enlightening/insightful than Steinem is her bugbear, the execrable
>>>>>> yammering cunt-rarian harpy, Hurricane Camille Paglia. What a shrill,
>>>>>> boring mediocrity this woman is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <
>>>>>> lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > When we worship beauty, we are worshipping life itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-hugh-he
>>>>>>> fners-legacy-trumps-masculinity-feminisms-sex-phobia-1044769
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 29.09.2017 um 10:28 schrieb Mark Kohut:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I woke up this morning thinking my coy allusive words about Updike's
>>>>>>> remark would probably make anyone
>>>>>>> think he said something about the beauty of naked women ala Playboy
>>>>>>> for young men. Stupidly wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The quote has heart, and is not just about naked or artistic nude
>>>>>>> beauty and is close to this: The most beautiful sight
>>>>>>> a young man--he means when we were still boys--sees is the naked
>>>>>>> body of a woman---he meant girl, a peer--he is in love with.
>>>>>>> There....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She was beautiful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I reveal myself surely unflatteringly and surely politically
>>>>>>>> incorrectly these days
>>>>>>>> when I say the 'working title' of GR, before I was enlightened by
>>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>>> Orientalists, *Mindless Pleasures* usually made me think of
>>>>>>>> Playboy Magazine.
>>>>>>>> Even the stories and articles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I  won't quote John Updike's wonderful insight into most inartistic
>>>>>>>> young men and beauty here
>>>>>>>> for fear of everyone, but think of nudes in art history and imagine
>>>>>>>> what he said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for everything Hugh, including paying Dick Gregory to
>>>>>>>> find the bodies of
>>>>>>>> the murdered civil rights workers in the 60's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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