Another Pynchon theme manifesting again in the real world.

[jesse gooch]

To answer Mark’s question:

"To quote Peter Kropotkin, Anarchism is “the no-government system of socialism.” [Anarchism, p. 46] In other words, “the abolition of ex- ploitation and oppression of man by man, that is the abolition of private property [i.e. capitalism] and government.” [Errico Malatesta, Towards Anarchism,”, p. 75]
Anarchism, therefore, is a political theory that aims to create a society which is without political, economic or social hierarchies. Anarchists maintain that anarchy, the absence of rulers, is a viable form of social system and so work for the maximisation of individual liberty and social equality. They see the goals of liberty and equality as mutually self- supporting. Or, in Bakunin’s famous dictum:
“We are convinced that freedom without Socialism is privilege and in- justice, and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.” 

From “What does ‘Anarchism’ mean?” 

> On Sep 4, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, your contexts in both cases are very important. I would argue in BE his vision is darker--always about the money, as you say---than some anarchy visions elsewhere....
> 
> His dark vision always shows " what it is really about" yet the positive qualities are also always there in life. ATD has the most of such vision. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:52 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> In BE anarchy's Zone is the early dark web, which soon is overtaken by money.  But it was always about money.  It isn't a sustainable state.
>> 
>> David Morris
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:35 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I only push this because Pynchon does, and it needs context.  For P, Anarchy goes back to GRs Zone, a place of crazy freedom in wake of total collapse, which can't be sustained.  It is not a model of sustained living, despite AGD's silly golf game.  It is a very short-lived thing.
>> 
>> David Morris
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>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> So your anarchism jag isn't a real proscription.  It is a plaything.  A Pynchon fanboy thing.
>> 
>> David Morris
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:57 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Anarchism as I wrote about it here is working with whatever, jumping in spontaneously before or with  FEMA HELP and FEMA is goddam necessary OR ELSE. ...More incalculable deaths and reams of suffering and hurt. 
>> 
>> I wrote " part" of....not as a guiding political philosophy, like libertarianism, which is  perhaps the exact opposite of helping ANYONE but oneself. ...anarchism allows selflessness. 
>> 
>> I just read a decent piece about the horrible tornado in Kansas, killing more than Harvey has, and the gist was FEMA was invaluable for money (paid 90% of clean-up cost) and worked best when "spontaneous groups" --like churches-- local leaders and Orgs were the go-to ones for advice and disbursement. 
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>> And I'm a big Govt " liberal" myself. Who loves selfless helping and dancing. Esp in musicals. 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 1:59 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Anarchism is akin to Libertarianism: freedumb from guvmint!
>>> 
>>> Imagine a world in Houston without FEMA!  Such a dream!
>>> 
>>> And no interstate highways!  And no EPA!  And no Medicare or Social Security!
>>> 
>>> You may sat I'm a dreamer, but they're about to be deported.
>>> 
>>> David Morris
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:48 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Anarchism. Pervasive as we know (and been written about).
>>> 
>>> Anarchism, not as any kind of policy or new government notion but
>>> precisely as getting shit done without government, outside of it. 
>>> 
>>> The natural way hundreds of thousands of simple citizens "self-organized"--
>>> this is the key,-- like the deaf-mute dance under the bridge where everyone
>>> dances together without bumping with no one having to direct the dancing--
>>> like the search and rescue and help operation in Houston after Harvey. 
>>> 
>>> Since a guy named Prince wrote about the "spontaneous groupings" of volunteer
>>> help after the Halifax explosion disaster , it has always been a part of every disaster 
>>> since. They say. 
>>> 
>>> Spontaneous groupings = self-organizing= equal apolitical, non-violent anarchism in
>>> the real world. 

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