Pynchon & The Death of Truth.

[rich]

far be it for me to even think of making comparisons of any kind. that's
for the schoolyard

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:30 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just to be clear, are you saying that you prefer the witticisms of the
> character Larry, from Eugene O'Neill's play The Iceman Cometh, over
> Nietzsche's aphorisms in Beyond Good and Evil? Because there would
> definitely be some significant qualitative differences that would come
> into play in comparing the two, would there not?
>
> J.
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:21 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I prefer Eugene O'Neil's burned out anarchist, Larry, in Iceman
> >
> > 'And I took a seat in the grandstand of philosophical detachment to fall
> > asleep observing the cannibals do their death dance.'
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:31 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sadly, I spent Sunday sitting by the pool, reading Beyond Good & Evil. I
> >> read some passages in Neitzsche's fantastic ramblings which provided an
> >> excellent analogy to every partisan fighting over which version of a
> >> seemingly bifurcated reality they live on:
> >>
> >> "The martyrdom of the philosopher, his "sacrifice for the sake of
> truth,"
> >> forces into the light whatever of the agitator and actor lurks in him;
> and
> >> if one has so far contemplated him (her) only with artistic curiosity,
> with
> >> regard to many a philosopher it is easy to understand the dangerous
> desire
> >> to see him also in his degeneration (degenerated into a "martyr," into a
> >> stage - and platform-bawler). Only, that it is necessary with such a
> desire
> >> to be clear what spectacle one will see in any case- merely a satyr
> play,
> >> merely an epilogue farce, merely the continued proof that the long, real
> >> tragedy is at an end, assuming that every philosophy was in its genesis
> a
> >> long tragedy. (pg. 37, Translated by Walter Kaufmann)"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 8:26 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In Michiko Kakutani's new book---entitled what appears after the "&"--
> >> > Pynchon is one of the few writers quoted---many writers of fiction
> >> > name-checked and alluded to though . She quotes
> >> > the words from Gravity's Rainbow about how "religious--comforting"
> >> paranoia
> >> > can be and---"there is
> >> > still also anti-paranoia, where nothing is connected to anything---a
> >> > condition not many of us can bear for long."
> >> >
> >> > A Pynchon fave, John Le Carre, supplies a chapter epigraph: "Without
> >> clear
> >> > language, there is no standard of truth."
> >> > Orwell throughout this chapter.
> >> >
> >> > And, she quotes Roth [American Pastoral] as defining anew--like an
> >> > artist--Hofstadter's "paranoid style in America":
> >> > "this counternarrative Roth entitled "the indigenous American
> berserk"."
> >> I
> >> > think of another great American writer, Charles Portis, with this
> phrase.
> >> >
> >> > Michiko says that Hofstadter's original essay was
> >> > "spurred by Goldwater's campaign and the right-wing movement around
> it."
> >> > It's seen then in Lot 49.
> >> >
> >> > (From another source, a scholar says
> >> > that the modern bashing of the mainstream media--liberal bias and
> more--
> >> by
> >> > the Right began then (and even with Goldwater's
> >> > book, I believe,he says, but I'm not looking anything more up).
> >> >
> >> > She focuses on Hofstadter's words: paranoia characterized by "heated
> >> > exaggerations" and more words but seeing these two
> >> > in quotes put Woods on Pynchon's "hysterical realism" into my head.
> >> > --
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