M& D Group Read (cont)

[Mark Kohut]

I forgot to mention the ghosts which 'haunt' the land....talk about organic
connection.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 7:12 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> All probably true in Pynchon's many-layered lasagna.
>
> I think first of what I see as a steady baseline theme: a vision of a
> whole life, so to speak, fully, fully human--when we think how
> much the anti-human in history grips him--at times in the past. In "an
> organic community" mostly lost to modernity, to the encroachment
> of industrialization, which hit communities at different historic times
> and ways. That 'organic community' is mostly limned in some of the European
> sections of Against the Day, but........
>
> Here I see the presentation of this 'feeling' around Stonehenge as a
> symbolic representation. I think Oedipa had a similar every attenuated
> 'feeling'
> early in Lot 49.
>
> To have her think *it knows me *is to limn a consciousness--as you
> say--that refutes an identity that the Age of Reason--name-checked in M
> &D--created.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has mostly to do with P exploring kinds and paces of
>> consciousness that transcend (but obviously include) the human.
>>
>> Maybe there is some astronomickal-ancestral-genetick affinity with
>> Dixon, his people, and Stonehenge.
>>
>> I will say that rereading this passage shortly after participating in an
>> ayahuasca ceremony was very striking to me—this powerful feeling (knowing,
>> being known, by a place, one you’re sure you’ve never been in any way that
>> makes sense to the history-making, forward-time keeping ego as we use and
>> understand it)...As I felt my ego slip away, in its last breaths it was
>> starting to understand it’s own insufficient timekeeping, how much vaster
>> an awareness there was to all (timeless) being, even to all life—and
>> companion to this feeling was a powerful sense of knowing the place I was
>> in and being known by it, but over a timeline far bigger than my mind was
>> really capable of grasping in any more than a glimpsing way. It was
>> like...deja vu, combined with a paranoia that’s actually more  ambivalent
>> than sinister, and the ambivalence stretched out over a timeline I was only
>> just beginning to glimpse started to demonstrate some kind of compassion to
>> the very structure of being.
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "it's too familiar.I've this feeling...I know the place, and *it knows
>> me."*
>>
>> Why is this said with Stonehenge the prompt?
>>
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://waste.org/pipermail/pynchon-l/attachments/20180206/3e6b0805/attachment.html>