Um... could this be "it"?

[David Morris]

Blue Sunami on horizon, going to demolish them.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:00 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It’s a weird situation. It does seem to put the election even deeper into
> question, but it’s weird that the only accused are Russian, and probably
> won’t face trial. What’s going to happen next?
>
> In the meantime, with all of the distraction, the Repubs are completely
> fucking us at every turn.
>
> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>
> On Feb 17, 2018, at 10:45 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> God, you do go on and on... I can barely skim you.
>
> Also you are so often so misguided.
>
> Theses indictments are a strategic first salvo.  They are a dare against
> Trump firing Mueller, and they inherently deligitimze his election, even
> without any proven collusion.  But collusion is pretty close to treason,
> and the flipping of Bannon, Manafort, Gates, etc. make collusion a real
> possible deal.  This shit is BIG, no matter how Republicans try to hide
> from it.  Their gig is almost up.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 9:02 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> It does put teeth in the earlier accusations of Russian efforts to smear
>> Hillary, but it strikes me as weak and not likely to go anywhere since the
>> accused are Russians and are highly unikely to go to trial.  Mueller also
>> has given a preliminary if not final statement of no collusion, no
>> treasonous relationship between Trump election team and Russia. Indicting
>> people you can’t bring to trial is not so impressive. Also these Russians
>> don’t seem to have done much but post fake news on the web, an act which is
>> so common as to be meaningless. The hacked emails could just as easily been
>> done by someone else and they exposed real misdeeds by the DNC.
>>   Whether there are different routes by which Mueller can expose Trump’s
>> business relations to Russian Oligarchs is open to question. Unfotunately
>> there may be limits on the scope of his investigation that prevent him from
>> going into Trump’s business dealings especially with no indication of
>> electoral collusion.  One obvious hypocrisy problem with the 13 indictments
>> is that the US interfered in far more direct and questionable ways in
>> Russian politics to get Yeltsin in power. Also
>>
>> James Risen is working now for the Intercept and recently posted 2
>> stories about Russia. The first is about CIA/NSA cyber weapons that went
>> missing and seem to be in the hands of the Russians via a group called the
>> Shadow Brokers. If that ain’t werd enough, Risen says US intel offered to
>> buy them , mainly because the US agencies don’t know how much was taken and
>> want to know the extent of the damage. The Russians wanted to throw in
>> damaging info on Trump but the agencies which had sent money to Germany
>> then backed off, possibly to avoid the political repercussions  of
>> processing Trump info with CIA head Pompeo, a  Trump loyalist.
>>
>> Now it turns out some of the files in question have been sent to the NYT(
>> Trump files  or cyber spy files is not clear). If they are Trump files and
>> there is some way of the NYT confirming the validity of any of the
>> information this may be the next big story.
>>
>> So why would Russia now try to get Trump in trouble? Disinformation?
>> Regrets about Trump? Restore friendlier relations?
>>
>> The other Risen story  came out the day before the Mueller announcement
>> and makes it clear Risen thinks the evidence that Russia hacked the DNC
>> files is very conclusive. It seemed like very strong evidence to me to me
>> despite my skepticism about one part where the Russian operative in charge
>> of the operation may be a US double agent and the fact that the DNC servers
>> were never examined by the FBI. Holy shit it just keeps getting weirder.
>>
>>
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