Black Holes in the collective unconscious

[Smoke Teff]

In terms of where this is visible...

Mason's rejection of his father--thus of the things his father
represents, eucharist, patriarchy, etc.

Mason's devotion to stargazing, which Pynchon goes way out of his way
to suggest is socially aberrant.

Mason's desperate embrace of Dixon's Quaker meditation.

Mason's negotiations with himself on first seeing Rebekah's ghost.

Mason's abiding suspicions about the forces his own countrymen have
played in his and Dixon's fate.

Granted not all of these pertain to Anglicanism per se, as much as
some of them pertain to patriarchal/orthodox Anglo-ism.


But if you're trying to argue the opposite, there's plenty of evidence
for that. He is more orthodox than Dixon. And has molded his values
more to something urban and zeitgeisty than Dixon, for all his
ridiculous get-up, has. Mason does occasionally seem more retrograde
or even reactionary in response to the new things he and Dixon have
encountered in departure from Britain (though this may be the
melancholy more than Mason's innatest disposition).

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>  "He is also not so dedicated to Anglican doctrine or hierarchy"....
> Smoke, Where find ye this?
>
> "Open to any spiritual experience" might be another phrase for desperately
> doubting.....?
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> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> Thanks for the kind remarks. The topic really got me going and I have one
>> more aspect I want to explore.
>> > On Feb 18, 2018, at 6:07 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "He is also not so dedicated to Aglican doctrine or hierarchy  as he
>> > is to friendly end equitable human relations and open to any spiritual
>> > experience that might explain the loss of his wife"
>> >
>> > Good thing to emphasize as we follow Mason forward.
>> >
>> > "Only the Taoists and similarly disposed non-dualists seek to diffuse
>> > and neutralize this balance, make it into a circle where death and
>> > life, dark and light,  are equally needful to the whole."
>> >
>> > Is this true beyond the spiritual traditions we've seen depicted in
>> > the first ~300pg. of the novel? Are there not any systems of
>> > mythistory and iconography that assign special and integral power to
>> > the spiritual forces of the night?
>> I would say that there are quite a few. Artemis was a goddess of night,
>> the moon, wildness, hunting, but the Greeks had a bunch of deities of
>> darkness, underworld, death, dreams etc. They mostly seem to have both
>> benign and scary aspects. Being a god is a shitload of responsibility and
>> not everyone handles it well.
>>
>> Here is a line from the Norse Edda ( wikipedia )
>> Hail to the Day! Hail to the sons of Day!
>> To Night and her daughter hail!
>> With placid eyes behold us here,
>> and here sitting give us victory.
>> Hail to the Æsir! Hail to the Asyniur!
>> Hail to the bounteous earth!
>> Words and wisdom give to us noble twain,
>> and healing hands while we live![5]
>>
>> As in Chinese and many mythic structures feminine is linked to  darkness,
>> male to light. but not with  negative connotations.
>> So many texts, stories  and cultures were obliterated by colonialism and
>> war. I particularly grieve the loss of  a great deal of celtic lore.
>>
>> this is exerpted from a telling of an Iriquois creation story
>> "Even in her death, the mother of the two boys was still making sure that
>> they had what they needed to survive.  She is called Mother Earth and to
>> this day she still supports all of the people, animals and plants.
>>
>> The twin boys grew up and went about the task of creating everything that
>> is found in the natural world. They made rivers, flowers, animals and
>> eventually they made the human beings.  The left-handed twin became the
>> keeper of the night and the right-handed twin became the keeper of the day.
>> When they were done making their creations, everything was in perfect
>> balance.”
>>  The earth mother’s head becomes the moon watching over the earth and
>> ruling the waters and all women.
>>
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>> >
>> > All the rest of this is really great thinking--I like everything you
>> > say about Pynchon's quasi-binary interpretation of the Black Hole of
>> > Calcutta.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> >> Black Hole
>> >>
>> >> Black - absence of light,  presence of all pigments,  mysterious,
>> >> unknowable, unseeable, zoroastrian- spiritual darkness/ equivalent of evil,
>> >> death, unlit underworld,  unillumined space between the stars,  for some
>> >> semitic bible interpreters black skin was the mark of Cain ((cursed son of
>> >> Adam and Eve (Moses married Ethiopian woman and Shulamite of the Song of
>> >> Songs was black skinned so perhaps not so clear)), during colonial perod
>> >> skin color became  the base for a caste system favoring white skin and
>> >> denigrating black, the day night cycle.the pupil of the eye
>> >>
>> >> This relation of consciousness and life  to the light/dark spectrum is
>> >> more than just cultural. Because of its omnipresent physical importance
>> >> there is practically no way for it not to assume  major cultural
>> >> significance. Only the Taoists and similarly disposed non-dualists seek to
>> >> diffuse and neutralize this balance, make it into a circle where death and
>> >> life, dark and light,  are equally needful to the whole.
>> >>
>> >> Interestingly Pynchon actually moves the reader through many
>> >> permutations of culture and direct experience in relation to blackness and
>> >> whiteness. We find that Mason’s original interest in the stars, that
>> >> ultimate field of light and dark was kindled as an avenue into a larger
>> >> scale of being , but also that he is an earthy man with powerful human
>> >> appetites and that he is conflicted by the subservience of astronomic
>> >> inquiry to the political goals of empire and commerce. He is also not so
>> >> dedicated to Aglican doctrine or hierarchy  as he is to friendly end
>> >> equitable human relations and open to any spiritual experience that might
>> >> explain the loss of his wife. The corruption he sees and the corruption he
>> >> suspects fits the doctrine of original sin, but moral and philosophical
>> >> questions are settled in his life as much by the pressures of survival as by
>> >> a free inquiry.  Even the balance of light and dark in the heavens is not a
>> >> neutral refuge, even the self declared freedom of the American revolution
>> >> continues much of the cruelty of the colonial project.
>> >>
>> >> In my reading Pynchon marks the Black Hole of Calcutta as a combination
>> >> of 2 interconneced  mythic forces. One is the potentially terrifying end of
>> >> the colonial project where all that the white europeans  have done to others
>> >> is visited on them and both individual and culture is forced to see that it
>> >> has created a hell and deserves to inherit that utter dismemberment of
>> >> humanity and biospheric balance that it has pursued. Thus The Black Hole
>> >> comes to haunt  the psyche as the ultimate fear.( This theme of dreadful
>> >> revenge first appears in stories in Slow Learner) The second is an act of
>> >> denial and reversal that is breath-taking in its bold dishonesty and common
>> >> as dirt, the Black Hole becomes a rallying point for for the continuation of
>> >> violence against non-whites.The violence of those who resist subjugation is
>> >> seen as the innate violent nature of the uncivilized and the core difference
>> >> between the fair-skinned and the darker skinned.
>> >>  Is there a 3rd option? A zero point of potential recreation from
>> >> dissolution? Is it simply the gracious acceptance of death and a humble
>> >> rebirth as part of a whole rather than the almighty I.  As I read Pynchon,
>> >> the darkest places always contain this seed.
>> >>
>> >>  As readers we go from the midwinter warmth and safety of  an extended
>> >> egalitarian family, asked to identify with  curious chidren on the brink of
>> >> the adult world,  on a global journey which takes us through the heart of
>> >> the age of enlightenment, from the old world with its many layers through
>> >> the cruel beginnings of corporate capitalism,  sexual adventures, spiritual
>> >> quests,  philosophic questions,  to wilderness and cultural adventures in
>> >> the new world. The entire story is shaped by questions of ownership and
>> >> boundaries, who owns what and how boundaries are made and maintained.
>> >>
>> >> This could be grim stuff but it can also be hilarious as we smoke pot
>> >> with George Washington and his black Hebrew plantation manager, catch
>> >> Cherrycoke’s subversive jokes, or consider the passionate lovesick flight of
>> >> the mechanical duck of the future.  And Pychon brings in Taoists and
>> >> children’s questions and native people to   point at a different set of
>> >> boundary making forces: rivers, mountains, kivas, earth serpents and feng
>> >> shui masters suggesting magnetic lines, cultural conversation, regard for
>> >> beauty, balance of power, mutual respect, friendliness.
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