M & D Group Read (cont)

Wed Jan 10 13:43:52 CST 2018

What a wonderful fitting quote: yes, a God- (capped with Nick's reasoning)
like tale-telling circle Pynchon is drawing here, and there, too.

And yes, he seems to take pagination as seriously as his paragraphs.

2018-01-10 19:22 GMT+01:00 Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>:

> "Voice unlocaliz'd" is also, I think, a yoo-hoo (you-who?) from TRP, whose
> narrative voices move with unique and subtle variety into and out of
> characters' consciousness -- freely in GR and AtD, more pinned to
> Cherrycoke and other within-the-novel narrators here. As one of those old
> Nicks said: "an infinite circle whose center is everywhere and whose
> circumference is nowhere."
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> Wow. Perfect  quote to provide contrast between edged, bordered,
>> localized  and myterious, unlocalized, radiant  center.  What is the
>> voice?. Conscience? Spirit? Deity? Dragon wisdom?
>>
>> This statement comes after Mason wonders about the consequences of their
>> borderline, whether  the good will outweigh the bad. The quote appears to
>> come from the duck but is sandwiched  without quote marks between  the
>> Ducks quoted response: ‘Wonder, that’s all?…"What about care don’t you
>> care?” The “one of the Enigmata…” statement becomes structurally a
>> dislocated example of what it is saying.
>>
>> Is the appearance of this intervention of unlocalized voice on page 666
>> satiric and light or a reference to the war between the NT book of
>> revelation Beast( having the number 666) and the risen Christ? P seems to
>> take pagination seriously but???
>>
>> Pushing the idea a bit, but well within the frequent role of spiritual
>> themes in M&D is the fact that Jesus in the NT frequently challenges
>> artificial lines including the authority of the Torah: “ You have heard it
>> said by them of old an eye for…….but I say “   “ It is not what goes into
>> the mouth that defiles.. but what comes from the heart..”  'Beware the
>> scribes and Pharisees who bind heavy burdens but don’t stoop to…’
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "One of the Enigmata of the Invisible World, is how a Voice unlocaliz’d
>> may yet act powerfully as a moral Center." (666)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:00:35 -0500 (EST)
>> > From: Paul Mackin
>> > To:   pynchon-l@[omitted]
>> > Subject: The E-word
>> >
>> > Below are my notes on the occurence
>> >  of "edge" in M&D.
>> > Have no way of knowing how much underreporting there is.
>> > I read the book from start to finish and made a note
>> > whenever the word jumped out at me. As far as the most common
>> > usage of the word is concerned it would seem if anything that
>> > P is quite reticent, i.e., "edge" would occur with greater
>> > frequency  in average writing. However P's exotic usage of the
>> > word seems ABOVE average in frequency. This is just gut reaction. I
>> > haven't done any analysis.
>> >
>> >                       P.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 10  It took me till I was lying among he Rats and Vermin, upon the
>> freezing
>> > edge of a Future invisible, to understand that my name had never been
>> my own,__
>> > 24  How is he  suppossed to ignore this pure Edge of blood-love?
>> > 34  --the Cold of apprpaching Night carrying an edge, the possiblity
>> that
>> > by
>> > Morning the Weather will be quite brisk indeed . . .
>> > 62   Somehwat as his Neighbors each strenuous Sunday profers belief in
>> the
>> > Great Struggle at the End of the World
>> > 93   Briefly we behold the gray edge of a cloud of despair . . .
>> > 110  Rol-ling out the Elkdge-ware Ro-od,--
>> > 121  'Tis the British Way to take the extra step that may one day give
>> us an
>> > Edge when we need one
>> > 137  "What?" Mason begins to edge toward the Tent opening.
>> > 132 Maskelyne's voice, in such times of stress, edges toward a
>> throat-bas'd
>> > Soprano
>> > 160  He was quite distraugh, and but a pace or two from the Edge of the
>> > precipice.
>> > 171  She put upon her R the same vigorous Edge, as his father on a
>> difficult
>> > day,--
>> > 172 Maskelyne's Observing Suit is edging into Visability.
>> > 219  Over Wearside, here at Nightfall, exactly upon this Edge between
>> sunlight too bright to see much by and . . .
>> > 264 "My point exactly!" cries Ethelmer, who had been edging toward the
>> > Spirits, mindful that at some point he shall have to edge past his
>> cousin
>> > Tenebrae.
>> > 271  is slowly absorb'd into a mirthful Cloud of tartan-edg'd Emerald
>> > Green and luminous Coral Taffeta.
>> > 273  . . . sentimental ever held back even at the Edge of breaking
>> forth, in
>> > Fragments, as Glass breaks.
>> > 309  . . . the dogs run obssessibely to and fro, all 'round the Edges,
>> > faces a-twist with Efforts to understand
>> > 324  by which if he kept to a Fiduciary Edge of Right Procedure, he
>> might
>> > profit, whilst retaining his Sanity.
>> > 329 . . . will have found its way by the poundful up the nostrils and
>> > into the brains of these by then alert youths, lending a feverish edge
>> > to all they  speak and do.
>> > 337  . . . suggesting locating the exact center of New Castle by taking
>> > a sheet of paper showing a map of the Town, trimming 'round the edges
>> > til only the Town remains, . . .
>> > 338  . . . , but fifteen years ago in the era of Don Vicente Lopez,
>> there
>> > was an apprehenisve Edge in this Town as soon as the Sun went down,
>> > that . . .
>> > 345 He sets his Lips as for a conventional, or Toroidal, Smoke_Ring,
>> but out
>> > instead comes a Ring like a Length of Ribbon clos'd in a Circle, with a
>> > single Twist in it, possessing thereby but one Side and one Edge . . .
>> > (elipsis in  original)
>> > 354  Then one has Mr. Edgewise . . . . (eilips in orig.)
>> > 383  A close observer, did one attend, might see him begin to flicker
>> > 'round the edges.
>> > 387  Taking what seems far too long, he peers up and down the newly
>> > glitt'ring Edge, . . .
>> > 387  She is so flabber-gasting this Macaroni with it that he seems to
>> fall
>> > into a contemplative Daze before the deep Undulations, a Dreamer at the
>> > Edge of the Sea.
>> > 387  I am become a Target for his Instruments edg'd and pointed.
>> > 395  There is an Edge to Young Romance, this year, that none of those
>> > testing its Sharpness may recoginize, quite yet.
>> > 396  Three young Ladies are peeping 'round the 'Door-way, like
>> shorebirds
>> > at the edge of the Water, stepping nicely in and out of that Aura of
>> > Tobacco-Smoke that Men for centluries have understood keeps women away
>> > as well as were they Bug
>> >
>> > 401  We've seen 'em all, all manner of Traveler, saints and sinners,
>> green
>> > and season'd some who could teach Eels to wriggle and some who were pure
>> > fiduciary Edge, and I'll tell you, this one . . . I don't know.
>> > 403  The Telescpe stands in its own Window'd Observatory at the Top of
>> > the House, before it the Edge of the River, . . .
>> > 406  The tone balanc'd upon a Blade's Edge, between Pity and Contempt.
>> > 415 Whereupon a golden Edge of Pleasure proceeds to bisect him upwardly
>> > all the way from his Ballocks to his heart, which these days is a
>> > lengthy journey.
>> > 416 advised by friend and enemy that his only decent course would be to
>> > step off the Edge of the World.--
>> > 423 "What, this? 'tis a Tub, Sir." Hoping the Echo may give him and
>> Edge.
>> > 450  "Why are you all edging away from me like that?"
>> > 441  . . . curiously prostrated before the chunk of Rose Quartz where
>> > cross the Latitude of the south Edge of Philadelphia . . .
>> > 485  then returning to this Radiance that flares from behind edges of
>> > Shapes uncertain,--
>> > 517  reaching with her arms, run to the roof's edge and into the Air, .
>> .
>> > 528  . . . tho their Wonderful Telegraph gives them in that Article
>> > an Edge over the rest of Christendom, . . .
>> > 545 .. .  for the struggle Zarpazo and I must enact upon the very mortal
>> > Edge of this great Torrent of Sha,--
>> > 561  . . . then at the edges of my vision, Blurs appear'd, . . .
>> > 577 . . . Ev'rybody's feeling edgy.
>> > 589 --flowing up over the edge . . . indeed, it keeps coming for longer
>> > than it should.
>> > 592  . . . with hundreds of firmly attach'd sword-quality Blades, whose
>> > hone edges flicker with sanguinary light.
>> > 594  looking for someone who can help him out of the edg'd ,and now
>> > perhaps even venomous, iron weapon he is wearing.
>> > 597  The breeze has a cold edge.
>> > 601  Yet removing Trees to create a pair of perfectly straight Edges,
>> > is to invite Sha, . . .
>> > 638  form up at the western edge of town, . . .
>> > 650 --thro' some Energy  unknown, ever are we haunted by the Edge
>> > so precise, so near.
>> > 553  as if they liv'd at the edge of some great lighted Sky-Structure,
>> > 692  Smugglers of Tobacco, Dye-stuffs, and edg'd Implements flee their
>> > Storage-Cabins in the middle of the night,
>> > 697  at which point the Enterpriser has edg'd his way as far as the
>> door.
>> > 704  saw at the edges of Rooms from the corners of Eyes, shouted to up
>> > or down a Visto.
>> > 746  As if here, at the Edge of the World,
>> > 752  The Fret has gather'd in the waste places, cross'd them, and come
>> > to the Edge of the Town.
>> > 754 Busy withd rebellion, America drew back toward the edges of Dixon's
>> > Frame, where the shadows gather'd.
>> > 758  and so she turn'd terrible, as she had ever been a shadow's Edge
>> away
>> > from doing anyway.
>> > 766  At the last of the Day-light, providentially, at the Edge of York,
>> > they smell wood-smoke with a sensible Fat Component,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:42 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > in the chapters around the LED, there are lots of
>> > animal references. Ape. The LED lusting after blood
>> > at Cock-Fights. "How is he supposed to ignore this Edge of
>> blood-love?"--another Bleeding Edge allusion
>> > and the edge itself--not around the edges as Joseph recently noted ---
>> > is another hard geometric bad shit trope in Pynchon.
>> >
>> > "Back at the Cock-Fights", Fender-Belly Bodine.....I seem to just now
>> notice that the Cock-Fights were ongoing
>> > fictionally in the whole chapter...a backdrop of the whole LED
>> section....
>> >
>> > There are the lines about the LED being like a human.
>> >
>> > In the wake of the Age of Reason, with the LED as the synecdoche,
>> > it seems Pynchon wants to remind us--delightfully, of course, yet
>> fully---that we
>> > are still animals, enjoying Cock-Fights---"that Substance which we are
>> not
>> > supposed to acknowledge drips and flies 'ev'rywhere.." Humans, like the
>> LED,
>> > will not acknowledge the blood upon which their lives rest.
>> >
>> > In a notional associative way, I remember that luxury liner in AtD
>> which is also
>> > a battleship albeit unknown to the luxury travelers.
>> >
>> >
>> > What was that line some Big Political Leader Guy said, last century,
>> when asked
>> > about the salutary effects of The Enlightenment on the world?
>> > "I'm still waiting to see it." (very paraphrased and shaky memory)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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