M & D Group Read (cont)

[David Morris]

Yes!

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:51 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You know I was joking, of course. There is only intelligence energy! No
> hating!
>
> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>
> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:48 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *We* always win, ultimately,  now and forever.
>
> Ultimately Satan is just a bad vibration.  Feel him, see him, know him.
> And don't be afraid of him.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:40 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apparently, he always wins.
>>
>>
>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you ever stop wondering, Satan wins.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:13 PM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we’re always wondering, in P, just how Panoptickal his Towers
>>> and Castles are.
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:51 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I noticed that--Castles-- during the last almost line by line read
>>> I did. Not the Trial so much.  I have come to speculate that
>>>
>>> K's Castle might be TRP revisioning The City on a Hill loaded with
>>> narrative symbolism of the US, esp the last line of wikipedia's summary
>>> here.
>>>
>>> *The Castle* (*German
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language>: Das Schloss* German
>>> pronunciation: [das ʃlɔs]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Standard_German>; also spelled *Das
>>> Schloß*) is a 1926 novel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel> by Franz
>>> Kafka <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Kafka>. In it a protagonist
>>> known only as K. arrives in a village and struggles to gain access to the
>>> mysterious authorities who govern it from a castle. Kafka died before
>>> finishing the work, but suggested it would end with K. dying in the
>>> village, the castle notifying him on his death bed that his "legal claim to
>>> live in the village was not valid, yet, taking certain auxiliary
>>> circumstances into account, he was permitted to live and work there." Dark
>>> and at times surreal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrealism>, *The
>>> Castle* is often understood to be about alienation
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_alienation>, unresponsive
>>> bureaucracy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy>, the
>>> frustration of trying to conduct business with non-transparent, seemingly
>>> arbitrary controlling systems, and the futile pursuit of an unobtainable
>>> goal.
>>>
>>> Them Jesuits.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of influences, homages, ancestries, reincarnations: I’m struck
>>>> again—mentioned it in one post but it may deserve repetition and
>>>> elaboration—at how much Kafka I see around here, these first ~150pgs or so.
>>>> (Which is not always the case with my experience of Pynchon.) I believe at
>>>> least three mentions of a/the Castle. The mass hypnosis. The folly that is
>>>> not quite mirthless, but is still kind of askew—amok—and horrifying. The
>>>> way there is madness that happens not center stage, maybe not even properly
>>>> on the stage at all.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This. I see Sterne everywhere in Pynchon, above all in their shared
>>>> conviction that digression and chronological skipping-about are truer to
>>>> our inner life than linear narrative. Cherrycoke is only P's most overt
>>>> tribute to that influence. I'm curious: does Sebald ever sound Sternean to
>>>> you, as he does to me?
>>>>
>>>> The timing is apt, too: Tristram Shandy came out in volumes between
>>>> 1759 (Rebekah's death; Sterne's mother died and his wife was dangerously
>>>> ill) and 1767 (end of the Line; Sterne's meeting with Eliza, muse for A
>>>> Sentimental Journey and the Journal).
>>>>
>>>> Plus... just *look* at the guy. How can a Pynchonian not love a great
>>>> comic writer who so resembles Harpo Marx?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Draper#/media/File:Laurence_Sterne_by_Sir_Joshua_Reynolds.jpg
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Draper#/media/File:Laurence_Sterne_by_Sir_Joshua_Reynolds.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Thomas Eckhardt <
>>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cherrycoke always brings to my mind that other irreverent clergyman,
>>>>> Lawrence Sterne. If I am not mistaken, Sterne also would have been
>>>>> addressed as the Reverend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Joseph Tracy:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I would be interested to hear how others hear or listen for Ccoke’s
>>>>>> voice.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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