Drugless Paths to the Mystical Experience

[Ian Livingston]

Ain't nowhere you can go with drugs that you can't get more genuinely and
enduringly to with mind training.
Well, except for the hallucinations, and those are hallucinations, not
mystical experience.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Smoke,
>
> I think most teachers would disapprove of your seeking after "mystical
> experiences."  But maybe you just are using the wrong terms.  If what you
> want is an "experience,"  why not just use drugs?  The "without drugs" part
> implies you want something more authentic, and thus more "true?"  This
> brings on the subject of "mystical."   Here's Webster:
>
> Definition of mystical
> 1a *: *having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to
> the senses nor obvious to the intelligence
>
>    - the mysticalfood of the sacrament
>
> b *: *involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective
> communion with God or ultimate reality
>
>    - the mysticalexperience of the Inner Light
>
> So the "mystical" implies a hidden realm/reality, and even more so Ultimate
> Reality.  This subject can and does go on forever, so I'll just point you
> to a website that provides interviews with people from MANY different
> paths, many of whom have reached deep levels of spiritual
> realization/experience.  Most of these paths agree that what most people
> experience is an illusion or veil that can be seen through into a
> multi-faceted deeper reality.
>
> Buddha at the Gas Pump:
> https://batgap.com/
>
> I experienced a Kundalini awakening over six years ago, but I didn't seek
> it, nor did I know what it was at first (thank God for the internet).  I
> was just trying to get myself stable via meditation, having been thrown
> into emotional turmoil by the end of a 28 year marriage.  Then it
> happened.  I didn't choose Kundalini.  It chose me.  I think that is a
> common aspect of many mystical experiences.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The value of mushrooms has not depreciated in my mind (though many of my
> > psychedelic experiences before doing an ayahuasca ceremony do seem
> somewhat
> > like a child tinkering with an elementary spiritual chemistry set,
> without
> > having even read the instructions).
> >
> > But I’m interested in getting there mostly with the body technology I was
> > given—want to cultivate a path I can replicate in most/any environs
> >
> > Fasting and sleep deprivation have been useful in the past seem like they
> > involve unnecessary suffering, especially for a regular practice that
> will
> > integrate with the rest of my life at this moment—and they associate too
> > closely to me with other familiar ways of being
> >
> > Art gets me a decent part of the way sometimes
> >
> > I know at least Morris will have some kundalini to tell me about. I’m
> > thinking of things more along those lines.
> >
> > Breathing, movement, meditation
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 31, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Glenn fuller <glennfuller at sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Fasting and Sleep Deprivation.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:20 AM, Allan Balliett <
> > allan.balliett at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Convince yourself that ‘shrooms aren’t a drug!
> > >
> > > Are you reading the new Pollan?
> > >
> > > ALLAN in WV, where the patties are in bloom
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:59 PM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
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