There is Plath's remark--"every woman loves a fascist"-- and some of Pynchon's deep embodied insights flatly stated , I suggest
Mark Kohut
mark.kohut at gmail.com
Mon Nov 12 13:17:48 CST 2018
Another Laura, critic Laura Frost asserts that Plath's line is not as
ironic as it is
often read to be....."her poems parade stereotypes of innate female
sadomasochism"
Seems she and others read her as giving courageous voice to some of the
deepest
previously unexpressed, unembodied in major poetry aspects of women having
to live in a patriarchal society.
Cf. "Daddy, Daddy, I'm through".....
So that she is NOT read as another purely personal "hysterical' woman,
filling poems with autobiographical details
that carry no larger meanings, we have to see her stark images, rhymes,
rhythms and anguish as we do
the still-overrated Hemingway and his Males, for example.
Her poems have always hit me that way--and that novel-- . I'd rather read
her poetic insights over, say, Byron,
almost any day.......but I'm just me...
https://books.google.com/books?id=RnkHDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT2346&dq=plath's+%22Every+woman+loves+a+fascist%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2nZHTtc_eAhWlzVkKHTzhBuIQ6AEIMDAB#v=onepage&q=plath's%20%22Every%20woman%20loves%20a%20fascist%22&f=false
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:48 AM Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
> Plath wasn't making a political statement about women, and Pynchon, with
> his predilection for very young women, is hardly a go-to source for
> theories about women of any race. His wonderful character Oedipa knows that
> excluded middles are bad shit. Republican=racist, Democrat = not racist.
> Nothing in between. Is that what you're saying? White women who vote
> Democratic aren't racist? I can conceive of white women voting Republican
> who are no more racist than their Democrat-voting counterparts. To say that
> white women vote Republican because they're racist and/or they adore a
> fascist seems presumptuous.
>
> Not everyone has their own, developed worldview. A significant chunk of
> Americans adopt the worldview of their places of worship, whether that
> means rabid anti-abortionism, single-minded votes for pro-Israel
> candidates, voting for Democrats so long as they're not gay, etc. Another
> very significant chunk boils everything down to what they perceive is their
> financial interest. Union workers voted for union-buster Reagan because he
> promised to lower their taxes. The super-rich will vote for Trump again
> because he did lower their taxes. Then there's us - educated, aware, who
> read and vote pretty much in lock-step with each other (barring the
> occasional Hillary dispute). The rest of the people are pretty much winging
> it, and not having been trained in logic, or even the necessity of logic,
> they come up with various voting strategies:
> "I hate black people, but Obama is awesome." "My friend said Hillary is a
> murderer." "Trump is a disgusting pig, but the Democrats will force women
> to have abortions." "I loved Trump on The Apprentice - it would be a hoot
> to see him in the White House." "My boyfriend said he'll beat the shit out
> of me if I don't vote for Trump." "What the hell, eeny meeny miney mo." "My
> union said not to vote for him, and I agree with everything they said. But
> they also say that immigrants work for low wages, and that NAFTA is bad. So
> it seems like voting for Trump makes a lot of sense."
>
> If you can speak about white women as a group then so can I, a white
> woman. So here it is: White women want Beto for President in 2020!
>
> Laura
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 7:30 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "What is wrong with white women? Why do half of them so consistently vote
>> for Republicans, even as the Republican party morphs into a monstrously
>> ugly organization that is increasingly indistinguishable from a hate
>> group?
>> The most likely answer seems to be that white women vote for Republicans
>> for the same reason that white men do: because they are racist. Trump,
>> with
>> his raucous rallies and his bloviating, combative style, has offered his
>> supporters an opportunity to savor the pleasures of being cruel. It is
>> likely that the white women who voted for him in 2016, and who will vote
>> for him again in 2020, find this racist sadism gratifying. It is fun for
>> them.
>>
>> But there is something else at play, something more complicated, in white
>> women’s relationship to white patriarchy. White women’s identity places
>> them in a curious position at the intersection of two vectors of privilege
>> and oppression: they are granted structural power by their race, but
>> excluded from it by their sex. In a political system where racism and
>> sexism are both so deeply ingrained, white women must choose to be loyal
>> to
>> either the more powerful aspect of their identity, their race, or to the
>> less powerful, their sex. Some Republican white women might lean into
>> racism not only for racism’s sake, but also as a means of avoiding or
>> denying the realities of how sexist oppression makes them vulnerable.
>>
>> In her book Right Wing Women
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/women>, the feminist Andrea
>> Dworkin wrote that conservative women often conform to the dominant
>> ideologies of the men around them as part of a subconscious survival
>> strategy, hoping that their conservatism will spare them from male hatred
>> and violence. It doesn’t work, she says. They suffer sexist oppression
>> anyway. But the strategy continues. “Most women cannot afford, either
>> materially or psychologically, to recognize that whatever burnt offerings
>> of obedience they bring to beg protection will not appease the angry
>> little
>> gods around them.” Participating in racism does not exempt white women
>> from
>> sexism, as much as they might hope that it will. It merely corrodes their
>> souls in the process.
>>
>>
>> White women’s identity places them in a curious position at the
>> intersection of two vectors of privilege and oppression."
>>
>> ----put couple sentences into Google or
>> Bing exactly to get the whole larger article.
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