Vollmann (was: Re: PoMo Studies Hoax (gets taken seriously))

[Keith Davis]

Interesting ideas...

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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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> Enjoying and intrigued by these book reviews/suggestions. Have not read fiction apart from  Ovid’s Metamorphoses for awhile. Vollman’s Poor People sounds partcularly interesting. On the other hand I need to spend more time on my own creative endeavors.
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> I think in many ways The Metamorphoses is psychology and social commentary via myth , with the big Gods playing the upper ecehlon of the ruling class.  Interesting to me  that even in first Century CE Ovid is lamenting the loss of wilderness and trees and wild places. The Kavanaugh episode is classic Jove rapes a nymph and  victim gets punished. The whole thing of blaming the victim for the crimes of the powerful is delegated to Juno in these strories. Hardly a female-only trait but there are plenty of women who relish this role in the modern pantheon with sec of state being a new favorite way to delegate shame talk starvation and bombs to women: Nicki Haley, Madeline Albright, Anne Coulter, Hillary Clinton, Condeleeza Rice, Victoria Nuland, Susan Collins, Sara Palin. 
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>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> Oh yes,  A Naked Singularity was self-published and then picked up (by a series of connectedness) and published by Chicago Uni.  The author stipulated no further editing because it had already sold a bunch.   I think the next one (the current new release) is probably more tightly edited - possibly - unless de Pavo has a perversely independent streak.  
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>> Becky
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>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:05 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Haven’t read Vollman, but did read de la Pava, A Naked Singularity. Very good. Could have maybe used a little editing. I would read more of him.
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>>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>> That’s one I wouldn’t mind reading a bit,  but I’d really like to get through the Seven Dreams series first and the No Immediate Danger books have caught my eye.  I can’t even read as fast as that man can write.   (sigh)
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>>>> Becky
>>>> https://beckylindroos.wordpress.com
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>>>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
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>>>>> I'm reading "Poor People" (in the translation - "Arme Leute" - of Robin Detje, Berlin 2018: edition suhrkamp) & enjoying it a lot. Vollmann is, in my humble opinion, best when he's working based on primary experiences of his own. Unlike Pynchon, he's not so good with secondary sources, at least I was not convinced by "Europe Central" at all. But where he goes into the field - like in "The Rainbow Stories", "The Royal Family" or, case in question, "Poor People" - he's developing the particular sensitivity Hubert Fichte, a German writer with a similar approach, called the "ethnopoetic" style. It's better than social science, --- it's true in a human respectively existential sense.
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>>>>>> The genius of Poor People is how Vollmann demonstrates the arbitrariness of the line we draw between “self” and “other.” <
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>>>>> http://quarterlyconversation.com/poor-people-by-william-t-vollmann-review 
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>>>>> https://www.hkw.de/en/programm/projekte/2017/hubert_fichte/hubert_fichte_start.php
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>>>>>> Am 08.10.2018 um 17:43 schrieb Becky Lindroos:
>>>>>> finally reading Wm Vollmann’s “The Ice Shirt”   -  sigh - loving it - 
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