Re: NP - Why Taibbi and Greenwald Shouldn’t Feel Vindicated

Mon Apr 1 01:08:36 CDT 2019

Oh, but you and the rabble are so easily lead.  But just buy these
double-mirror anti-blind cross-eyed glasses to be truly elite-free!

David Morris

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:08 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well lookie here... NBC News/WSJ Poll finds that Trump approval has DIPPED
> to 43-53 following the Mueller Report (oops! I mean the Barr Memo, as
> NOBODY has seen the Mueller Report yet) down from 46-52 in February. 29%
> say the Barr Memo clears Donald Trump while 40% say it does not. The Barr
> Memo is NOT changing people's beliefs on Trump/Russia.
>
> I know a few Fascists and Fascist-enabling ultra-leftists whose smiles are
> going to be turning back upside down to frowns once they realize that most
> people never needed Mueller or Barr's permission to see the blindingly
> fucking obvious re: Trump and his Russia connections, regardless of whether
> or not the Special Counsel believes they would be able to successfully
> bring charges to trial and make them stick.
>
> Don't let yourself be gaslit by these fuckers. Trust your own eyes, ears
> and brain, now more than ever.
>
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> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:58 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am afraid I have to laugh, perhaps as idiotically as Dr. Hilarious.
> These
> > two writers,--and I've read and like Taibbi a lot; Greenwald I like when
> he
> > has a real world insight, rare, and when he's so happy with his animal
> > adoption promotion, hiring homeless folk to run, so f'in laudable, all
> > gloating and overdone resentful anger gone.
> >
> > Those two, also media elites all of the rest of the world would say,
> > scoring all these supposed points against the more elite media elites.
> LOL.
> >
> > Russians conspiring to 'attack', or interfere if you prefer, in the US
> > election happened. Which was argued against from the beginning by at
> least
> > Greenwald, while Taibbi says the elite media started with the lasso of
> > NEEDING TO ADD THE US PRESIDENT to it! Yeah, right.  Reduce to
> > ridiculousness, Matt. The five official Trump workers who have admitted
> > guilt is also some kind of collusion found. All part of Mueller's remit.
> > Steve Bannon, from The Fire and the Fury, early 2018 (which some laughed
> at
> > me for sitting down to read, lol): "We couldn't coordinate
> > successfully with the state of Pennsylvania"...more LOL.
> >
> > And the elite media Matt has been hounding for two years, he says, did
> NOT
> > try to find out why this nation voted for Donald Trump? More laughter.
> > Why have I been able to find more work on that from anywhere I look
> smartly
> > than Matt? Intense group and online discussions in the world I live in
> > fed by empirical work, sociological work, reporting up the nose.
> >
> > Since the hated Rachel did not do weeks of sociological shows talking to
> > Trump voters, going to coal country she is a delusion-creating
> > irresponsibilist? --  (Hayes did a bit with Sanders at a town hall
> > which showed how the state, WV, which went 70--30 for Trump cheered and
> > raised arms joyfully when Medicare-for-All popped its lovely head. WV,
> the
> > state whose Dem primary buried Clinton in favor of Sanders almost as
> > strongly as it buried Clinton in the election. Riddle me THAT.)
> >
> > And whatever insights there are in Matt's media criticism, he is wrong on
> > this, I think: early on, after the start of the *counterintelligence
> > investigation into the Trump campaign, *almost NO regular citizens and
> > voters believed nor wanted to believe that Russian hacking may have
> changed
> > the 2016 election. No average Repubs AT ALL and easily, conservatively
> over
> > half of regular Dems, I say from my informal but involved recollections.
> If
> > he thinks THAT was what the other elites pushed on the nation, it was not
> > even close to happening. It took lots of Mueller truths and a very big
> > hourglass of time.
> >
> > Irrelevant extra credit: Do a simple thought experiment. Research a bit
> on
> > what Russain bots did and how many. If you know Facebook at all, then
> keep
> > thinking about this: a foreign bot person, armed with polling data and
> some
> > knowledge of American states, goes to, say, a small Michigan town, Grand
> > Rapids, say, or even smaller--that rural homeland for the Trump base--
> and
> > creates a new group event: a spontaneous rally for Candidate Trump. Folks
> > start jumping on board. The rally happens and no one there knows or cares
> > who started it. Local media covers it. It reaches lots of Michiganders,
> > some on the fence, some debating whether to vote at all.
> > Rinse and repeat. Go forth and multiply. Who knows the effect.
> >
> > Personal: I have seen from the left side how this can work on FB. My area
> > has a local FB resistance group. As i was following in that elitist news
> > that is so democratic these days that its sources are everywhere and
> > chatting with a friend in England about the Friday Climate strikes,
> started
> > by one young Swedish girl/woman (she's 14), I went and posted to have a
> > rally at our local rallying place on a certain Friday, when buzz was that
> > many US students might strike. Within hours the "resistance' leaders of
> > that site were shouting Yes!, let's do it, "I'm goings" streamed in and,
> > voila, an afternoon rally over over a hundred easily--few schools had
> > students who took the whole day off but many cities had major after
> school
> > rallies--there was media coverage in the local papers, also then on FB
> > reaching thousands more.....and only a handful of participants knew this
> > old guy in their midst had "started" the student and everyone rally.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:41 AM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/taibbi-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-815060/
> > >
> > > Www.keithdavismusic.com
> > >
> > > > On Mar 30, 2019, at 1:19 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > They made caveats and like most citizens, journalists and Congress
> want
> > > the full report, they agree that obstruction is up for grabs, but the
> > > conclusions on Russian collusion are a decisive quote from Mueller. Do
> > you
> > > really think that will change?  Of course they are vindicated, they
> > called
> > > for restraint and to focus onTrump's in-your-face abuses of power
> rather
> > > than the mania of Russian conspiracy theories.
> > > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/03/26/why-taibbi-and-greenwald-shouldnt-feel-vindicated/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "The main message from both Taibbi and Greenwald is that we can’t
> > trust
> > > >> what U.S. intelligence services tell us, so we must see all of the
> > > evidence
> > > >> related to Trump and Russia with our own eyes.  [...] But what is
> most
> > > >> astounding to me is that both of these guys have gone all-in on
> > feeling
> > > >> vindicated about their skepticism based on a four-page letter from
> the
> > > >> attorney general. Neither of them is holding back judgement until we
> > get
> > > >> the chance to see the results of Mueller’s investigation with our
> own
> > > eyes.
> > > >> Where did all that skepticism go?"
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