Against the Day, still.

[Mark Kohut]

No, nothing more I guess but aspects of P's presentation. As in my personal examples, the women I mentioned, unlike so many knowing they weren't fulfilled and seeking it, were just hit with love lightning. "The Beauty swept over her ".....  [and] "vibrant dark density" for love. 

And that she "needed" the excitement of those knives.  

Misc: Merle is presented as overcoming any either-or binaries as he perceives her falling for him. Conscious and Unaware at once. 

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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It seems pretty much Women's Lib 101 - Personal Fulfillment. Do you see something more?
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 12:41 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com wrote:
>> Merle's comment comes right after the characterization of Erlys' reaction. Which comes right after the q & a.
>> 
>> Merle watches her reaction to Zamboni and sees what happens to her. He doesn't get it but he does. 
>> 
>> She leaves him and Dally for Zamboni then. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't understand the "Merle didn't know, he knew" paragraph out of context. I don't remember Daly being in a relationship except at the very end, with the youngest Traverse? Not sure what you want comments on, Mark. Freedom and/or repression in relationships?
>>> 
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 7:46 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Anne Tyler has spent a lot of her career exploring
>>>> this notion with married bourgeois women:
>>>> '''excuse me, signora...but....have you ever felt that you wished to
>>>> suddenly
>>>> disappear, even from a room full of people, just....[makes vanishing signs
>>>> with his hands] ......gone?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Me, all the time, why"? ---Erlys.
>>>> 
>>>> "Could you stand perfectly still while someone throws knives at you"?
>>>> 
>>>> "Then the beauty swept over her ..like a galvanic shadow,,, as her body
>>>> took on a
>>>> "vibrant dark density"...and Merle "did not know what was happening. He did
>>>> know".
>>>> 
>>>> There are many other writers too, of course, on this and related aspects
>>>> including that sixties milestone book *The Feminine Mystique. *
>>>> 
>>>> Any women on the Plist care to comment on P's presentation of this bit? Esp
>>>> that great phrase, "vibrant dark density" or-- is it great? A few good men
>>>> [care to comment]?
>>>> 
>>>> (I will comment only that two women I've known have told me of leaving long
>>>> term relationships, not felt as oppressively unhappy,
>>>> for someone brand-new and hardly known but.....Mr. Right, so to
>>>> mythologize...)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> PS. Anne Tyler's first husband was an Iranian-American psychiatrist. She
>>>> refused to answer any questions about her marriage EVER when interviewed.
>>>> In fact
>>>> declared such questions out-of-bounds. Full privacy for him and the
>>>> marriage they inhabited. I've thought of it as doing half-a-Pynchon re
>>>> privacy.
>>>> --
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