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[Jochen Stremmel]

Well, you could say he's trying to put his own house in order first.

Am Sa., 5. Jan. 2019 um 22:19 Uhr schrieb Mark Thibodeau <
jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>:

> Well, he's basically pushing Kremlin propaganda that could be read
> THIS way, instead:
>
> "I can't believe the USA is being so bold as to DEFEND themselves from
> Russian information warfare! And that some major American news
> agencies cooperate with government agencies! THE NERVE!!!"
>
> This, coming from a guy who defends a nation where reporters who don't
> do/say what the Kremlin orders either get fired, killed, or otherwise
> disappeared.
>
> It's a fucking disgrace.
>
> Jerky
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 4:02 PM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I wanted to make a pun, to play with the words useful idiot, taking them
> apart and turning them around, I confess.
> >
> > But what brought me to it: Is there anything wrong with the piece he
> wrote that Joseph did link to? What are the goals he's not aware of he's
> making propaganda for in that article? He may have been a useful idiot when
> he defended the Iraq war. (I'm not defending him, you see? I only want to
> know what he did just now to deserve that judgment. Whose useful idiot is
> he now?)
> >
> > Am Sa., 5. Jan. 2019 um 16:26 Uhr schrieb Mark Thibodeau <
> jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> I didn't call him an idiot. I called him a "Useful Idiot".
> >>
> >> In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person
> >> perceived as a propagandist for a cause of whose goals they are not
> >> fully aware and who is used cynically by the leaders of the
> >> cause.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to
> >> describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist
> >> propaganda and manipulation.[1]
> >>
> >> In all fairness to Glem, he's probably not even that... but I choose
> >> to leave him a bit of wiggle room so I don't have to believe that he's
> >> a COMPLETE moral monster and philosophically bankrupt propagandist for
> >> a truly sinister and ascendant global conspiracy.
> >>
> >> As for who am I to judge? Just someone who's been reading this goof's
> >> stuff since the days when he was DEFENDING the invasion of Afghanistan
> >> AND IRAQ (ffs), as well as the worst excesses of Preznit Dubya's
> >> Homeland Security and T.H.E.U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T.A.C.T. legislation.
> >> Remember that?
> >>
> >> As to me being useless, I confess, it's true. I'll cop to that.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> YOPJ
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 10:10 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > who are you to judge people perhaps at least as intelligent and
> useless as you?
> >> >
> >> > Am Sa., 5. Jan. 2019 um 13:11 Uhr schrieb Mark Thibodeau <
> jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah, Glem Greenvalt...
> >> >>
> >> >> At least that Useful Idiot is never surprising!
> >> >>
> >> >> YOPJ
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:48 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > MSNBC works for the deep state says one of its best veteran
> journalists.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> https://theintercept.com/2019/01/03/veteran-nbcmsnbc-journalist-blasts-the-network-for-being-captive-to-the-national-security-state-and-reflexively-pro-war-to-stop-trump/
> <
> https://theintercept.com/2019/01/03/veteran-nbcmsnbc-journalist-blasts-the-network-for-being-captive-to-the-national-security-state-and-reflexively-pro-war-to-stop-trump/
> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >> >> --
> >> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>