More underestimation of the Russians ' effect on the 2016 US election and government

[Joseph Tracy]

Obviously all goods and services are consumed by consumers. People like to be comfortable .  But consumers don’t decide to wrap practially every object in a plastic bubble, consumers don’t choose to ship everything from China, consumers don’t pump millions of barrels of oil while lying about global warming despite internal corporate research, or corrupt the voting and political system.   Consumers do not spend millions to make environmental policies that allow Dow to dump toxics into local water supplies. A handful of greedy people shape those policies for short term gains. Global environmental movements are huge and almost completely ignored  on a global scale, largely because of the US government ( either party, both shitty on fossil fuels)
  Some countries have better policies and practices  but they are often punished and there is a great deal of economic, political and military bullying that shapes global policies. If the US can persuade people to support insane wars that make billions for a few, surely that power could be used to stand behind environmentally sound cradle-to-grave responsibility for manufacturers and a deep move toward sustainable energy policies. There are very few things that cannot be made sustainably. 
  Consumer habits obviously have to change. We cannot consume beef and fish at the current rate using current practices. Plastic has to be severly cut back. Investments in  Conservation of heat and transport  are needed in a massive green new deal.  The products we use should have far longer lifespans and longer warranties and be reasonably repairable. There should be a high cost to the manufacturer or consumer to dispose of non recyclables 
  It is when and what needs to change that reveals the entrenched power of the corporatized and militarized government. But our personal addictions are also critical:  Lifetime personal air travel needs to be severely rationed, all forms of  greenhouse gas producing non-renewable energy need to be downgraded to zero with all due speed.
  These goals are not insane, but they sound insane to those who have adapted themselves To a world in which 
Approximately 82 percent of the money generated last year went to the richest 1 percent of the global population, the report said, while the poorest half saw no increase at all
Last year, Oxfam said billionaires saw an uptick of $762 billion — enough to end extreme poverty seven times over
OXFAM numbers published by CNBC



 
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> Consumers have huge environmental impact
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> We like to blame the government or industries for the Earth's
> problems, but what we buy makes a big difference
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> Date:February 24, 2016Source:Norwegian University of Science and
> TechnologySummary:You won't make big cuts in your environmental impact
> by taking shorter showers or turning out the lights. The real
> environmental problem, a new analysis has shown, is embodied in the
> things you buy.
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> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160224132923.htm
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> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 8:15 PM jody2.718 <jody2.718 at protonmail.com> wrote:
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>> I got to go with Rich on this one. All the influences that Joseph names are minuscule compared the daily heedless consumption and pooping into the environment of toxic, non-recyclable garbage by the average citizen. All the malevolent forces involved with the control of production and marketing of.same would dry up and blow away if ordinary people stopped consuming those overly convenient, and generally useless, products. They (we) won't and so we're probably doomed, sooner rather then later.
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>> jody
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>> Richard:
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>> I don’t deny these elements exist. I just think the world sub rosa is a chaotic place. I don’t believe anyone is running anything. It’s this vast convoluted horrific at times nexus of ever changing alliances, some good some bad
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>>> On Jan 10, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>>> It is actually much easier for most to believe there is no deep state. That seems rather naive at this point. I would be happy to elaborate on what that means to me and to those who use this particular phrase. What most mean is the nexus of several forces: 1) Central bankers and the multi-national corporate lawyers who have elaborated a system of tax avoidance and who shape trade policy, often directly writing that policy( as opposed to theoretically sovereign representative governments) 2) All the secretive spy agencies British, US, Israeli, Germany, French… and  their connections to fundamental international policies of the Nato Powers and the dollar  as international reserve currency. 3) The neo -liberal corporate or state owned media that dominates the international media landscape 4) the power and influence of the fossil fuel industry in all its forms. 5) the arms and war industry
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>>> All of these forces combine to endorse and enforce the powers of capitalism and militarism  wherever these combined interests wish to override any of the following democratic forces: independent democratic choices by voters, accountability of the rich for financial or environmental crimes, accountability of warcrimes and those who perpetrate them etc., accountability of corporate human crimes like Bhopal, asbestos exposure, carcinogen exposure,  or global warming,  accountability for dumping of plastics and toxics etc., accountability for interference in democratic processes( Chile, Venezuela,Tibet,  Nicaragua, Iran, Brazil, Argentina, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Vietnam…. very long list)
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>>> The deep state evolved at the nexus of government, military and money interests to protect the long term interests of powerful capitalists and imperial armies from the prospect of democratic movements that seek to put human and environmental issues above financial profit for the elite and  the sick pride of imperial colonialist dominance.
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