AtD: John MacTaggart Ellis MacTaggart

Wed Jul 3 22:08:54 CDT 2019

I find it amazing that a 9th Cenury spiritual tradition could anticipate
quantum physics so closely.  For them, there was no dichotomy between wave
and particle.  Wave generates particle. Particles are just dense waves.
Theoretical physicists are lovers of metaphysics, so I'm sure they already
know this idea.

Another thought on this wave/particle dynamic.  If wave is first, prior to
particle, then what is making the mass-less wave?  I would guess primordial
energy.  Probably this a stupid question, because energy is waves.  So,
energy becomes waves.  Waves become mass.  A continuum, probably a cycle
itself.

David Morris

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:18 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> In Tantrik Shaivism ( 850 CE) the first manifestation of something from
> nothing is *vibration," a wave. As vibration becomes more dense, matter
> emerges.  These guys knew quantum realities by experience (meditation) way
> before science was invented.  The mantra is essentially a practice of
> generating sound vibrations inside the body to connect in specific ways to
> the origins of creation.
>
>
> https://hridaya-yoga.com/hridaya-yoga-articles/spanda-the-sacred-tremor-of-the-heart/
>
> "The origin of the term *spanda* (“tremor” or “vibration”) is found in
> the spiritual tradition of the Kashmir Shaivism. *Spanda* is the
> primordial vibration of the Universe and of our being.
>
> The concept of “primordial vibration” usually refers to the creation of
> the universe; there are texts which refer to it as the transcendental cause
> of the universe. The word “vibration” alone evokes the idea of a periodic
> movement."
>
>
>
> https://www.academia.edu/3337481/Psychophysics_of_Tantra_The_Doctrine_of_Vibration_and_The_EMF_Field_Theory_of_Consciousness
>
> Psychophysics of Tantra: The Doctrine of Vibration and The EMF Field
> Theory of Consciousness
> [image: Shelli Joye]
> Shelli Joye
> <https://ciis.academia.edu/ShelliJoye>
>
> In this paper I will outline the psychophysical basis of the energy
> described as Kundalini from a scientifically trained perspective.  I will
> also present various specific techniques for acquisition of Kundalini
> experiences derived from several decades of participation in the
> exploration these contemplative practices.
>
>
> *David Morris *
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:15 PM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes! The end of the 19th Century and beginning of the 20th were
>> iconoclastic for space and time as concepts. David Bohm's Quantum Theory,
>> in particular Chapter 8: Physical Picture of Quantum Nature of Matter,
>> "The Entire system of classical concepts must, therefore be replaced by a
>> totally new system of quantum-theoretical concepts, each of which has
>> meaning only in a context when all others are true. The system of quantum
>> concepts involves the assumptions of incomplete continuity, incomplete
>> determinism, and the indivisible unity of the entire universe. These maybe
>> summarized by saying the properties of matter are to be expressed in terms
>> of opposing but complementary pairs of potentialities, either of which can
>> be realized in a more definite form in an appropriate environment but only
>> at the expense of a corresponding loss in the degree of definition of the
>> other (pg.168)"
>>
>> More succinctly, in a Wave-Particle duality context:
>>
>> "Thus, when we say that there is an electron in a certain region of space,
>> we tend to imply that there is, in this region, a separate object having
>> intrinsic properties that are independent of the systems with which this
>> object interacts. Yet, we know that an electron acts more like a wave or
>> more like a particle, depending on what system it interacts with, as well
>> as on the electron itself (ibid. pg.168)"
>>
>> Are they indeterminate yet indivisible "beings", by-products of some more
>> cataclysmic explosion at some yet to be completely determined point in the
>> future?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phenomenology_of_Spirit
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> > From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:51 AM
>> > Subject: AtD: John MacTaggart Ellis MacTaggart
>> > To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> >
>> >
>> > was a philosopher at Trinity College, Cambridge, who enjoyed a
>> considerable
>> > reputation in his day.
>> > I have never read any of his works, but I believe that he was an
>> Hegelian;
>> > an exponent of a philosophy now
>> > out of favor, except in the form of Dialectical Materialism. ...
>> > But it is said to have been Mr. MacTaggart who offers the explanation
>> that
>> > the word *runcible *means *tortoise-shell*
>> > [ basing this on two books *The Owl and the Pussycat *and *The Pobble
>> who
>> > Has No Toes. ]*
>> > *                                                         ----T. S.
>> Eliot
>> > *in
>> > "Can 'Education' Be Defined" collected in *To Criticize the Critic*
>> >
>> > Highly probable that this is the first place TRP learned of MacTaggart
>> and
>> > I think I see how TRP uses him to
>> > satirize Marxism a bit and Hegelian semi-notions---history unfolding to
>> a
>> > great Spirit [knowledge], say.
>> >
>> > In fact, he might be mocking The Phenomenology of Spirit with the
>> > Trespassers.
>> >
>> > THIS is where our history leads.
>> > --
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