AtD: John MacTaggart Ellis MacTaggart

gary webb gwebb8686 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 5 18:51:10 CDT 2019 

Very Nice Mark T.

Alongside Quantum Mechanics was Einstein's theory of Relativity equally
iconoclastic. I've been reading Lillian Leiber's beautiful The Einstein
Theory of Relativity: A Trip to the 4th Dimension. Not to belabor a point
but she writes at the end of the section on Special Relativity entitled the
Moral ... "By emphasizing the fact that absolute space and time are pure
mental fictions, and that the only PRACTICAL notions of time that man can
have are obtainable only by signals, the Einstein Theory shows that
"idealism" alone, that is "a priori" thinking alone, cannot serve for
exploring the universe. On the other hand, since actual measurements are
local and not universal, and that only certain THEORETICAL RELATIONSHIPS
are universal, the Einstien Theory shows also that practical measurement
alone is also not sufficient for exploring the universe. In short, a
judicious combination of THEORY and PRACTICE , EACH GUIDING the other- a
"dialectical materialism"- is our most effective weapon."


On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 10:14 AM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice!
>
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>
> > On Jul 4, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is a poem I wrote a couple years ago that expresses my
> > metaphysical stance re: subjects such as quantum in a succinct and
> > clear-cut manner.
> >
> > ONE = INFINITY = ZERO
> >
> > The universe is one.
> > Nothing that is, is not.
> > All that is, is.
> >
> > The universe is infinite.
> > Infinity contains infinite infinities.
> > Everything that is, is repeated, infinitely.
> > Thus, infinity is one.
> >
> > Because the universe is infinite,
> > And because the universe is one,
> > The universe does not exist.
> > It cannot begin until it is finished.
> > It is finished before it can begin.
> >
> > One = Infinity = Zero.
> >
> > Now is the arrow that cuts the air.
> > We are the air, split by the arrow.
> > We are not now.
> >
> > Because we are not infinite.
> > Because we are not one.
> > And because we exist.
> >
> > MT
> >
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> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 5:57 AM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> In Chinese cosmology, duality is referred to as Yin and Yang. Wuji is
> non-duality, then there comes a separation into yin-yang, which opposition
> becomes taiji.
> >>
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> >>
> >>> On Jul 4, 2019, at 2:01 AM, Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree entirely... From an intro quantum textbook (Intro. to Quantum
> Physics, 2nd ed., Griffiths) pg. 420:
> >>>
> >>> “According to the realist, quantum mechanics is an incomplete theory,
> for even if you know everything quantum mechanics has to tell you about the
> system (to wit: its wave function), still you cannot determine all of its
> features. Evidently there is some other information, external to quantum
> mechanics, which is required for a complete description of physical
> reality. The orthodox position raises even more disturbing problems, for if
> the act of measurement forces the system to “take a stand” helping create
> an attribute that was not there previously, then there is something very
> peculiar about the measurement process...”
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 4, 2019, at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Oops:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 12:06 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> And to bore you just a bit more, Shiva and Shakti are the two
> embodiments of the primal movement, abstractly male and female
> respectively. Shakti, female, is the creative energy.  Shiva, male, is the
> ground of manifestation. I've been told that, despite that apparent
> dynamic, neither is first in this interaction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kali is the prime goddess of Shakti.  Here she stands atop a prone
> Shiva. She is wild beyond belief. His submission calms her from her
> rampages.  We would call that co-dependence today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <7418C601-5D93-4FC6-B3F9-C1C58E37EA60-1396-000001E29478857D.jpg>
> >>>>
> >>>> David Morris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:08 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> I find it amazing that a 9th Cenury spiritual tradition could
> anticipate quantum physics so closely.  For them, there was no dichotomy
> between wave and particle.  Wave generates particle. Particles are just
> dense waves. Theoretical physicists are lovers of metaphysics, so I'm sure
> they already know this idea.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another thought on this wave/particle dynamic.  If wave is first,
> prior to particle, then what is making the mass-less wave?  I would guess
> primordial energy.  Probably this a stupid question, because energy is
> waves.  So, energy becomes waves.  Waves become mass.  A continuum,
> probably a cycle itself.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:18 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>> In Tantrik Shaivism ( 850 CE) the first manifestation of something
> from nothing is *vibration," a wave. As vibration becomes more dense,
> matter emerges.  These guys knew quantum realities by experience
> (meditation) way before science was invented.  The mantra is essentially a
> practice of generating sound vibrations inside the body to connect in
> specific ways to the origins of creation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> https://hridaya-yoga.com/hridaya-yoga-articles/spanda-the-sacred-tremor-of-the-heart/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The origin of the term spanda (“tremor” or “vibration”) is found
> in the spiritual tradition of the Kashmir Shaivism. Spanda is the
> primordial vibration of the Universe and of our being.
> >>>>>>> The concept of “primordial vibration” usually refers to the
> creation of the universe; there are texts which refer to it as the
> transcendental cause of the universe. The word “vibration” alone evokes the
> idea of a periodic movement."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> https://www.academia.edu/3337481/Psychophysics_of_Tantra_The_Doctrine_of_Vibration_and_The_EMF_Field_Theory_of_Consciousness
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Psychophysics of Tantra: The Doctrine of Vibration and The EMF
> Field Theory of Consciousness
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Shelli Joye
> >>>>>>> In this paper I will outline the psychophysical basis of the
> energy described as Kundalini from a scientifically trained perspective.  I
> will also present various specific techniques for acquisition of Kundalini
> experiences derived from several decades of participation in the
> exploration these contemplative practices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:15 PM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Yes! The end of the 19th Century and beginning of the 20th were
> >>>>>>>> iconoclastic for space and time as concepts. David Bohm's Quantum
> Theory,
> >>>>>>>> in particular Chapter 8: Physical Picture of Quantum Nature of
> Matter,
> >>>>>>>> "The Entire system of classical concepts must, therefore be
> replaced by a
> >>>>>>>> totally new system of quantum-theoretical concepts, each of which
> has
> >>>>>>>> meaning only in a context when all others are true. The system of
> quantum
> >>>>>>>> concepts involves the assumptions of incomplete continuity,
> incomplete
> >>>>>>>> determinism, and the indivisible unity of the entire universe.
> These maybe
> >>>>>>>> summarized by saying the properties of matter are to be expressed
> in terms
> >>>>>>>> of opposing but complementary pairs of potentialities, either of
> which can
> >>>>>>>> be realized in a more definite form in an appropriate environment
> but only
> >>>>>>>> at the expense of a corresponding loss in the degree of
> definition of the
> >>>>>>>> other (pg.168)"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> More succinctly, in a Wave-Particle duality context:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Thus, when we say that there is an electron in a certain region
> of space,
> >>>>>>>> we tend to imply that there is, in this region, a separate object
> having
> >>>>>>>> intrinsic properties that are independent of the systems with
> which this
> >>>>>>>> object interacts. Yet, we know that an electron acts more like a
> wave or
> >>>>>>>> more like a particle, depending on what system it interacts with,
> as well
> >>>>>>>> as on the electron itself (ibid. pg.168)"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are they indeterminate yet indivisible "beings", by-products of
> some more
> >>>>>>>> cataclysmic explosion at some yet to be completely determined
> point in the
> >>>>>>>> future?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phenomenology_of_Spirit
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >>>>>>>>> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:51 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: AtD: John MacTaggart Ellis MacTaggart
> >>>>>>>>> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> was a philosopher at Trinity College, Cambridge, who enjoyed a
> considerable
> >>>>>>>>> reputation in his day.
> >>>>>>>>> I have never read any of his works, but I believe that he was an
> Hegelian;
> >>>>>>>>> an exponent of a philosophy now
> >>>>>>>>> out of favor, except in the form of Dialectical Materialism. ...
> >>>>>>>>> But it is said to have been Mr. MacTaggart who offers the
> explanation that
> >>>>>>>>> the word *runcible *means *tortoise-shell*
> >>>>>>>>> [ basing this on two books *The Owl and the Pussycat *and *The
> Pobble who
> >>>>>>>>> Has No Toes. ]*
> >>>>>>>>> *                                                         ----T.
> S. Eliot
> >>>>>>>>> *in
> >>>>>>>>> "Can 'Education' Be Defined" collected in *To Criticize the
> Critic*
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Highly probable that this is the first place TRP learned of
> MacTaggart and
> >>>>>>>>> I think I see how TRP uses him to
> >>>>>>>>> satirize Marxism a bit and Hegelian semi-notions---history
> unfolding to a
> >>>>>>>>> great Spirit [knowledge], say.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In fact, he might be mocking The Phenomenology of Spirit with the
> >>>>>>>>> Trespassers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> THIS is where our history leads.
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