Re: NP - Why Taibbi and Greenwald Shouldn’t Feel Vindicated

Sun Mar 31 23:07:45 CDT 2019

Well lookie here... NBC News/WSJ Poll finds that Trump approval has DIPPED
to 43-53 following the Mueller Report (oops! I mean the Barr Memo, as
NOBODY has seen the Mueller Report yet) down from 46-52 in February. 29%
say the Barr Memo clears Donald Trump while 40% say it does not. The Barr
Memo is NOT changing people's beliefs on Trump/Russia.

I know a few Fascists and Fascist-enabling ultra-leftists whose smiles are
going to be turning back upside down to frowns once they realize that most
people never needed Mueller or Barr's permission to see the blindingly
fucking obvious re: Trump and his Russia connections, regardless of whether
or not the Special Counsel believes they would be able to successfully
bring charges to trial and make them stick.

Don't let yourself be gaslit by these fuckers. Trust your own eyes, ears
and brain, now more than ever.

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:58 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am afraid I have to laugh, perhaps as idiotically as Dr. Hilarious. These
> two writers,--and I've read and like Taibbi a lot; Greenwald I like when he
> has a real world insight, rare, and when he's so happy with his animal
> adoption promotion, hiring homeless folk to run, so f'in laudable, all
> gloating and overdone resentful anger gone.
>
> Those two, also media elites all of the rest of the world would say,
> scoring all these supposed points against the more elite media elites. LOL.
>
> Russians conspiring to 'attack', or interfere if you prefer, in the US
> election happened. Which was argued against from the beginning by at least
> Greenwald, while Taibbi says the elite media started with the lasso of
> NEEDING TO ADD THE US PRESIDENT to it! Yeah, right.  Reduce to
> ridiculousness, Matt. The five official Trump workers who have admitted
> guilt is also some kind of collusion found. All part of Mueller's remit.
> Steve Bannon, from The Fire and the Fury, early 2018 (which some laughed at
> me for sitting down to read, lol): "We couldn't coordinate
> successfully with the state of Pennsylvania"...more LOL.
>
> And the elite media Matt has been hounding for two years, he says, did NOT
> try to find out why this nation voted for Donald Trump? More laughter.
> Why have I been able to find more work on that from anywhere I look smartly
> than Matt? Intense group and online discussions in the world I live in
> fed by empirical work, sociological work, reporting up the nose.
>
> Since the hated Rachel did not do weeks of sociological shows talking to
> Trump voters, going to coal country she is a delusion-creating
> irresponsibilist? --  (Hayes did a bit with Sanders at a town hall
> which showed how the state, WV, which went 70--30 for Trump cheered and
> raised arms joyfully when Medicare-for-All popped its lovely head. WV, the
> state whose Dem primary buried Clinton in favor of Sanders almost as
> strongly as it buried Clinton in the election. Riddle me THAT.)
>
> And whatever insights there are in Matt's media criticism, he is wrong on
> this, I think: early on, after the start of the *counterintelligence
> investigation into the Trump campaign, *almost NO regular citizens and
> voters believed nor wanted to believe that Russian hacking may have changed
> the 2016 election. No average Repubs AT ALL and easily, conservatively over
> half of regular Dems, I say from my informal but involved recollections. If
> he thinks THAT was what the other elites pushed on the nation, it was not
> even close to happening. It took lots of Mueller truths and a very big
> hourglass of time.
>
> Irrelevant extra credit: Do a simple thought experiment. Research a bit on
> what Russain bots did and how many. If you know Facebook at all, then keep
> thinking about this: a foreign bot person, armed with polling data and some
> knowledge of American states, goes to, say, a small Michigan town, Grand
> Rapids, say, or even smaller--that rural homeland for the Trump base-- and
> creates a new group event: a spontaneous rally for Candidate Trump. Folks
> start jumping on board. The rally happens and no one there knows or cares
> who started it. Local media covers it. It reaches lots of Michiganders,
> some on the fence, some debating whether to vote at all.
> Rinse and repeat. Go forth and multiply. Who knows the effect.
>
> Personal: I have seen from the left side how this can work on FB. My area
> has a local FB resistance group. As i was following in that elitist news
> that is so democratic these days that its sources are everywhere and
> chatting with a friend in England about the Friday Climate strikes, started
> by one young Swedish girl/woman (she's 14), I went and posted to have a
> rally at our local rallying place on a certain Friday, when buzz was that
> many US students might strike. Within hours the "resistance' leaders of
> that site were shouting Yes!, let's do it, "I'm goings" streamed in and,
> voila, an afternoon rally over over a hundred easily--few schools had
> students who took the whole day off but many cities had major after school
> rallies--there was media coverage in the local papers, also then on FB
> reaching thousands more.....and only a handful of participants knew this
> old guy in their midst had "started" the student and everyone rally.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:41 AM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/taibbi-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-815060/
> >
> > Www.keithdavismusic.com
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 2019, at 1:19 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > They made caveats and like most citizens, journalists and Congress want
> > the full report, they agree that obstruction is up for grabs, but the
> > conclusions on Russian collusion are a decisive quote from Mueller. Do
> you
> > really think that will change?  Of course they are vindicated, they
> called
> > for restraint and to focus onTrump's in-your-face abuses of power rather
> > than the mania of Russian conspiracy theories.
> > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/03/26/why-taibbi-and-greenwald-shouldnt-feel-vindicated/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "The main message from both Taibbi and Greenwald is that we can’t
> trust
> > >> what U.S. intelligence services tell us, so we must see all of the
> > evidence
> > >> related to Trump and Russia with our own eyes.  [...] But what is most
> > >> astounding to me is that both of these guys have gone all-in on
> feeling
> > >> vindicated about their skepticism based on a four-page letter from the
> > >> attorney general. Neither of them is holding back judgement until we
> get
> > >> the chance to see the results of Mueller’s investigation with our own
> > eyes.
> > >> Where did all that skepticism go?"
> > >> --
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> > >
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