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[ish mailian]

_Mercy of a Rude Stream_
In these works the author famously / infamously, struggle with
incestuous passions and guilt.  But the story is also a homoerotic
one, the protagonist describes one bromance after another, an Irish
friend he seems in love with, a rich Jewish college man. Of interest
here, maybe,  is the critique of Joyce. Roth had what the great-late
Harold Bloom called a strong reading of Joyce, but old Roth, no longer
so influenced or anxious about  Joyce's influence, slams Joyce's
faults, and calls attention to Joyce's abysmal portrayal of Jews,
including the most famous "Jew" in Irish Literature, Leopold Bloom of
Ulysses. As he wrestles with his own female characters, he takes Joyce
to task for his. How the poor Jewish boy from the LES, now living in
the Bronx, deals with his double-consciousness is a kind of critique
of Pynchon's Jewish and Black characters. Pynchon's females? How do
they square with his "human" books?

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:03 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OBLOMOV is the first Samuel Beckett masterpiece in history. (Unless "Bartleby the Scrivener" predates it)
>  I urge all.
>
> Henry Roth's "Confessions" ?...Do you mean CALL IT SLEEP?..
> Or the even truer confessions known as MERCY OF A RUDE STREAM, in four volumes?
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 1:36 PM ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ada is my fave. A rare monster.
>> Speaking of incest, and narcissism...and some how Russian books (Oblomov?),
>> check out The Woman Who Went to Bed for a Year by Sue Townsend. And
>> incest, any Henry Roth fans read his old Confessions?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:56 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I read Ada years ago, and ultimately found it annoying.  I think Nabokov
>> > intended it to be a literary puzzle, like Pale Fire.  But this puzzle's
>> > solution is beyond the reach of all readers so far.  Some find his
>> > description of the interactions of incestuous, insanely rich, and
>> > narcissistic siblings interesting enough on their own account.  I didn't.
>> >
>> > I haven't read Pnin.
>> >
>> > I'd recommend:
>> > Invitation to a Beheading
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:42 AM Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've read Pale Fire and Lolita. Ada or Pnin next?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 4:40 PM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It made me think of a line in a fine book by an author who was perhaps a
>> > > > little too full of himself:
>> > > >
>> > > > With the help of the janitor he screwed on to the side of the desk a
>> > > pencil
>> > > > sharpener--that highly satisfying, highly philosophical instrument that
>> > > > goes ticonderoga-ticonderoga, feeding on the yellow finish and sweet
>> > > wood,
>> > > > and ends up in a kind of soundlessly spinning ethereal void as we all
>> > > must.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Am Di., 5. Nov. 2019 um 22:27 Uhr schrieb John Bailey <
>> > > sundayjb at gmail.com
>> > > > >:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I loved this line in the original email and read it a bunch of times.
>> > > > > Many thanks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:15 AM Raphael Saltwood
>> > > > > <PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ...few indeed forward to the shuffling off of whose mortal coil one
>> > > > less
>> > > > > eagerly looks...,
>> > > > > >
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