An unexpected friendship? Was to me. And most/all? of the Plisters, I suggest

Jochen Stremmel jstremmel at gmail.com
Thu Jan 23 14:13:47 UTC 2020


... a great cunnilingus tutorial,

Remember another one by Brodkey, even more so.

Am Do., 23. Jan. 2020 um 14:08 Uhr schrieb Charles Albert <
cfalbert at gmail.com>:

> The Day of The Jackal was excellent pulp...
>
> Included a great cunnilingus tutorial, which one impressionable lad took to
> heart many decades ago.
>
> Thanks Fred....wherever you are.
>
>
> love,
>
> cfa
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:56 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > + ... "DEAR TOM GUINZBURG WHEREVER YOU ARE, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
> > KNOW I'M NUMBER EIGHT AND MY FRIEND FREDDIE IS NUMBER TWO."/ Pynchon was
> > referring to the fact that Frederick Forsyth's second thriller, THE
> > ODESSA FILE, was No. 2 on the NEW YORK TIMES bestseller list and
> > GRAVITY'S RAINBOW was No. 8 ... +
> >
> >
> >
> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=fals
> > <
> >
> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=false
> > >
> > e
> >
> > One might infer that the friendship began around the time of Freddie's
> > first book, a runaway bestseller,* The Day of the Jackal.* 1971 His
> > publisher was
> >  Viking. Pynchon's publisher..
> >
> > *“The Day of the Jackal makes such comparable books such as The
> Manchurian
> > Candidate and The Spy Who Came in from the Cold seem like Hardy Boy
> > mysteries.”—The New York Times    ( memory or recreated one: made me want
> > to read it---but I didn't) *
> >
> > Such a quote *would *appeal to TRP. We know he has read Le Carre and
> liked
> > him without reservations of 'genre'. We also seem to know that he often,
> > through his agent, Ms Donadio and other industry insiders, got new books
> to
> > read before they were published*. Catch--22* seems almost
> circumstantially
> > provable as just one he read before publication.
> >
> > Then there is the forgotten Richard Condon. of *The Manchurian Candidate.
> > *Once
> > compared to "satirists" like, O, Thomas Pynchon and some other black
> > humorists. (Latterly, discredited for some plagiarism, including, someone
> > showed, passages of MC 'taken' from Graves,* I, Claudius.! *[A
> post-modern
> > mixer before the mix times? ] Famous for his* LISTS!*! Pynchon list fans.
> > Famous for extended metaphors ---"complex sentences that go bang at the
> > end"...and for
> > the fiction of information. Condon to Pynchon, like those
> > lost English writers who did the inferior Hamlets and King Lears before
> > Shakey?
> > Wikipedia: "The fiction of information"[edit
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=4
> > >
> > ]
> >
> > Condon's works are difficult to categorize precisely: A 1971 *Time
> magazine
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_magazine>* review declared that,
> > "Condon was never a satirist: he was a riot in a satire factory. He raged
> > at Western civilization and every last one of its works. He decorticated
> > the Third Reich, cheese fanciers, gossip columnists and the Hollywood
> star
> > system with equal and total frenzy." [6]
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-6> The headline
> of
> > his obituary in *The New York Times* called him a "political
> novelist",[7]
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7> but went
> on
> > to say that, "Novelist is too limited a word to encompass the world of
> Mr.
> > Condon. He was also a visionary, a darkly comic conjurer, a student of
> > American mythology and a master of conspiracy theories, as vividly
> > demonstrated in 'The Manchurian Candidate.'"[7]
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7> Although
> > his
> > books combined many different elements, including occasional outright
> > fantasy and science fiction, they were, above all, written to entertain
> the
> > general public. He had, however, a genuine disdain, outrage, and even
> > hatred for many of the mainstream political corruptions that he found so
> > prevalent in American life. In a 1977 quotation, he said that:[8]
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-8>
> >
> > "...people are being manipulated, exploited, murdered by their servants,
> > who have convinced these savage, simple-minded populations that they are
> > their masters, and that it hurts the head, if one thinks. People accept
> > servants as masters. My novels are merely entertaining persuasions to get
> > the people to think in other categories."
> >
> > With his long lists of absurd trivia and "mania for absolute details",
> > Condon was, along with Ian Fleming
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming>, one of the early exemplars
> of
> > those called by Pete Hamill <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hamill>
> in
> > a *New York Times* review, "the practitioners of what might be called the
> > New Novelism... Condon applies a dense web of facts to fiction.... There
> > might really be two kinds of fiction: the fiction of sensibility and the
> > fiction of information... As a practitioner of the fiction of
> information,
> > no one else comes close to him."[9]
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-9>
> > Quirks and characteristics[edit
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=5
> > >
> > ]
> >
> > Condon attacked his targets wholeheartedly but with a uniquely original
> > style and wit that made almost any paragraph from one of his books
> > instantly recognizable. Reviewing one of his works in the *International
> > Herald Tribune*, playwright George Axelrod
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Axelrod> (*The Seven Year Itch
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Year_Itch_(play)>*, *Will
> Success
> > Spoil Rock Hunter
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Success_Spoil_Rock_Hunter>*), who
> had
> > collaborated with Condon on the screenplay for the film adaptation of
> *The
> > Manchurian Candidate*, wrote:
> >
> > "The arrival of a new novel by Richard Condon is like an invitation to a
> > party.... the sheer gusto of the prose, the madness of his similes, the
> > lunacy of his metaphors, his infectious, almost child-like joy in
> composing
> > complex sentences that go bang at the end in the manner of exploding
> cigars
> > is both exhilarating and as exhausting as any good party ought to be."
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