An unexpected friendship? Was to me. And most/all? of the Plisters, I suggest

Thu Jan 23 21:32:48 UTC 2020

If I remember correctly, and I read it a lot more than once, slow learner
and it is great, it starts with some fucking that goes nowhere
soon, recognizes our hero and ends with THWUMP, THUMP fucking ...
but I will check it out.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will when I'm back home – at the moment in rehab after pericardectomy 2
> weeks ago, and, Mark, I think it wasn't any fucking involved – only going
> down over many many pages. It was a short story. Was it called "Innocence",
> perhaps? Could you do the checking?
>
> Am Do., 23. Jan. 2020 um 16:26 Uhr schrieb Charles Albert <
> cfalbert at gmail.com>:
>
>> You gotta share...
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 9:13 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... a great cunnilingus tutorial,
>>>
>>> Remember another one by Brodkey, even more so.
>>>
>>> Am Do., 23. Jan. 2020 um 14:08 Uhr schrieb Charles Albert <
>>> cfalbert at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> The Day of The Jackal was excellent pulp...
>>>>
>>>> Included a great cunnilingus tutorial, which one impressionable lad
>>>> took to
>>>> heart many decades ago.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Fred....wherever you are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> love,
>>>>
>>>> cfa
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:56 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > + ... "DEAR TOM GUINZBURG WHEREVER YOU ARE, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE
>>>> TO
>>>> > KNOW I'M NUMBER EIGHT AND MY FRIEND FREDDIE IS NUMBER TWO."/ Pynchon
>>>> was
>>>> > referring to the fact that Frederick Forsyth's second thriller, THE
>>>> > ODESSA FILE, was No. 2 on the NEW YORK TIMES bestseller list and
>>>> > GRAVITY'S RAINBOW was No. 8 ... +
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=fals
>>>> > <
>>>> >
>>>> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=false
>>>> > >
>>>> > e
>>>> >
>>>> > One might infer that the friendship began around the time of Freddie's
>>>> > first book, a runaway bestseller,* The Day of the Jackal.* 1971 His
>>>> > publisher was
>>>> >  Viking. Pynchon's publisher..
>>>> >
>>>> > *“The Day of the Jackal makes such comparable books such as The
>>>> Manchurian
>>>> > Candidate and The Spy Who Came in from the Cold seem like Hardy Boy
>>>> > mysteries.”—The New York Times    ( memory or recreated one: made me
>>>> want
>>>> > to read it---but I didn't) *
>>>> >
>>>> > Such a quote *would *appeal to TRP. We know he has read Le Carre and
>>>> liked
>>>> > him without reservations of 'genre'. We also seem to know that he
>>>> often,
>>>> > through his agent, Ms Donadio and other industry insiders, got new
>>>> books to
>>>> > read before they were published*. Catch--22* seems almost
>>>> circumstantially
>>>> > provable as just one he read before publication.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then there is the forgotten Richard Condon. of *The Manchurian
>>>> Candidate.
>>>> > *Once
>>>> > compared to "satirists" like, O, Thomas Pynchon and some other black
>>>> > humorists. (Latterly, discredited for some plagiarism, including,
>>>> someone
>>>> > showed, passages of MC 'taken' from Graves,* I, Claudius.! *[A
>>>> post-modern
>>>> > mixer before the mix times? ] Famous for his* LISTS!*! Pynchon list
>>>> fans.
>>>> > Famous for extended metaphors ---"complex sentences that go bang at
>>>> the
>>>> > end"...and for
>>>> > the fiction of information. Condon to Pynchon, like those
>>>> > lost English writers who did the inferior Hamlets and King Lears
>>>> before
>>>> > Shakey?
>>>> > Wikipedia: "The fiction of information"[edit
>>>> > <
>>>> >
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=4
>>>> > >
>>>> > ]
>>>> >
>>>> > Condon's works are difficult to categorize precisely: A 1971 *Time
>>>> magazine
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_magazine>* review declared that,
>>>> > "Condon was never a satirist: he was a riot in a satire factory. He
>>>> raged
>>>> > at Western civilization and every last one of its works. He
>>>> decorticated
>>>> > the Third Reich, cheese fanciers, gossip columnists and the Hollywood
>>>> star
>>>> > system with equal and total frenzy." [6]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-6> The
>>>> headline of
>>>> > his obituary in *The New York Times* called him a "political
>>>> novelist",[7]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7> but
>>>> went on
>>>> > to say that, "Novelist is too limited a word to encompass the world
>>>> of Mr.
>>>> > Condon. He was also a visionary, a darkly comic conjurer, a student of
>>>> > American mythology and a master of conspiracy theories, as vividly
>>>> > demonstrated in 'The Manchurian Candidate.'"[7]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7>
>>>> Although
>>>> > his
>>>> > books combined many different elements, including occasional outright
>>>> > fantasy and science fiction, they were, above all, written to
>>>> entertain the
>>>> > general public. He had, however, a genuine disdain, outrage, and even
>>>> > hatred for many of the mainstream political corruptions that he found
>>>> so
>>>> > prevalent in American life. In a 1977 quotation, he said that:[8]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-8>
>>>> >
>>>> > "...people are being manipulated, exploited, murdered by their
>>>> servants,
>>>> > who have convinced these savage, simple-minded populations that they
>>>> are
>>>> > their masters, and that it hurts the head, if one thinks. People
>>>> accept
>>>> > servants as masters. My novels are merely entertaining persuasions to
>>>> get
>>>> > the people to think in other categories."
>>>> >
>>>> > With his long lists of absurd trivia and "mania for absolute details",
>>>> > Condon was, along with Ian Fleming
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming>, one of the early
>>>> exemplars of
>>>> > those called by Pete Hamill <
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hamill> in
>>>> > a *New York Times* review, "the practitioners of what might be called
>>>> the
>>>> > New Novelism... Condon applies a dense web of facts to fiction....
>>>> There
>>>> > might really be two kinds of fiction: the fiction of sensibility and
>>>> the
>>>> > fiction of information... As a practitioner of the fiction of
>>>> information,
>>>> > no one else comes close to him."[9]
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-9>
>>>> > Quirks and characteristics[edit
>>>> > <
>>>> >
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=5
>>>> > >
>>>> > ]
>>>> >
>>>> > Condon attacked his targets wholeheartedly but with a uniquely
>>>> original
>>>> > style and wit that made almost any paragraph from one of his books
>>>> > instantly recognizable. Reviewing one of his works in the
>>>> *International
>>>> > Herald Tribune*, playwright George Axelrod
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Axelrod> (*The Seven Year Itch
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Year_Itch_(play)>*, *Will
>>>> Success
>>>> > Spoil Rock Hunter
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Success_Spoil_Rock_Hunter>*),
>>>> who had
>>>> > collaborated with Condon on the screenplay for the film adaptation of
>>>> *The
>>>> > Manchurian Candidate*, wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > "The arrival of a new novel by Richard Condon is like an invitation
>>>> to a
>>>> > party.... the sheer gusto of the prose, the madness of his similes,
>>>> the
>>>> > lunacy of his metaphors, his infectious, almost child-like joy in
>>>> composing
>>>> > complex sentences that go bang at the end in the manner of exploding
>>>> cigars
>>>> > is both exhilarating and as exhausting as any good party ought to be."
>>>> > --
>>>> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>> >
>>>> --
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>>>>
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