An unexpected friendship? Was to me. And most/all? of the Plisters, I suggest

Fri Jan 24 11:17:06 UTC 2020

" ... So I didn't move; I just held her thighs with my hands; and her 
things began to trail off, to trickle down, into little shiverings; the 
stoniness left her face; she calmed into moderated shudders, and then 
she said, she started to speak with wonder but then it became an 
exclamation and ended on a kind of a hollow note, the prelude to a small 
scream: she said, 'I CAME....' Or 'I ca-a-a-ammmmmmmme....' What 
happened was that she had another orgasm at the thought that she'd had 
her first.
    That one was more like three little ones, diminishing in strength. 
When she was quieter, she was gasping, she said, 'Oh, you LOVE me....'"

Harold Brodkey: Innocence

(Pp. 161-194, here 193, in H.B.: Stories In An Almost Classical Mode, 
London: Picador)

Am 23.01.20 um 15:25 schrieb Mark Kohut:
> That great Brodkey story about fucking, right? Pretty much only about
> fucking...but it contained a lot about love too.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:13 AM Jochen Stremmel<jstremmel at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> ... a great cunnilingus tutorial,
>>
>> Remember another one by Brodkey, even more so.
>>
>> Am Do., 23. Jan. 2020 um 14:08 Uhr schrieb Charles Albert <
>> cfalbert at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> The Day of The Jackal was excellent pulp...
>>>
>>> Included a great cunnilingus tutorial, which one impressionable lad took
>>> to
>>> heart many decades ago.
>>>
>>> Thanks Fred....wherever you are.
>>>
>>>
>>> love,
>>>
>>> cfa
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:56 AM Mark Kohut<mark.kohut at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> + ... "DEAR TOM GUINZBURG WHEREVER YOU ARE, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
>>>> KNOW I'M NUMBER EIGHT AND MY FRIEND FREDDIE IS NUMBER TWO."/ Pynchon was
>>>> referring to the fact that Frederick Forsyth's second thriller, THE
>>>> ODESSA FILE, was No. 2 on the NEW YORK TIMES bestseller list and
>>>> GRAVITY'S RAINBOW was No. 8 ... +
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=fals
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=false
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> One might infer that the friendship began around the time of Freddie's
>>>> first book, a runaway bestseller,* The Day of the Jackal.* 1971 His
>>>> publisher was
>>>>   Viking. Pynchon's publisher..
>>>>
>>>> *“The Day of the Jackal makes such comparable books such as The
>>> Manchurian
>>>> Candidate and The Spy Who Came in from the Cold seem like Hardy Boy
>>>> mysteries.”—The New York Times    ( memory or recreated one: made me
>>> want
>>>> to read it---but I didn't) *
>>>>
>>>> Such a quote *would *appeal to TRP. We know he has read Le Carre and
>>> liked
>>>> him without reservations of 'genre'. We also seem to know that he often,
>>>> through his agent, Ms Donadio and other industry insiders, got new
>>> books to
>>>> read before they were published*. Catch--22* seems almost
>>> circumstantially
>>>> provable as just one he read before publication.
>>>>
>>>> Then there is the forgotten Richard Condon. of *The Manchurian
>>> Candidate.
>>>> *Once
>>>> compared to "satirists" like, O, Thomas Pynchon and some other black
>>>> humorists. (Latterly, discredited for some plagiarism, including,
>>> someone
>>>> showed, passages of MC 'taken' from Graves,* I, Claudius.! *[A
>>> post-modern
>>>> mixer before the mix times? ] Famous for his* LISTS!*! Pynchon list
>>> fans.
>>>> Famous for extended metaphors ---"complex sentences that go bang at the
>>>> end"...and for
>>>> the fiction of information. Condon to Pynchon, like those
>>>> lost English writers who did the inferior Hamlets and King Lears before
>>>> Shakey?
>>>> Wikipedia: "The fiction of information"[edit
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=4
>>>> ]
>>>>
>>>> Condon's works are difficult to categorize precisely: A 1971 *Time
>>> magazine
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_magazine>* review declared that,
>>>> "Condon was never a satirist: he was a riot in a satire factory. He
>>> raged
>>>> at Western civilization and every last one of its works. He decorticated
>>>> the Third Reich, cheese fanciers, gossip columnists and the Hollywood
>>> star
>>>> system with equal and total frenzy." [6]
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-6>  The
>>> headline of
>>>> his obituary in *The New York Times* called him a "political
>>> novelist",[7]
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7>  but
>>> went on
>>>> to say that, "Novelist is too limited a word to encompass the world of
>>> Mr.
>>>> Condon. He was also a visionary, a darkly comic conjurer, a student of
>>>> American mythology and a master of conspiracy theories, as vividly
>>>> demonstrated in 'The Manchurian Candidate.'"[7]
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7>  Although
>>>> his
>>>> books combined many different elements, including occasional outright
>>>> fantasy and science fiction, they were, above all, written to entertain
>>> the
>>>> general public. He had, however, a genuine disdain, outrage, and even
>>>> hatred for many of the mainstream political corruptions that he found so
>>>> prevalent in American life. In a 1977 quotation, he said that:[8]
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-8>
>>>>
>>>> "...people are being manipulated, exploited, murdered by their servants,
>>>> who have convinced these savage, simple-minded populations that they are
>>>> their masters, and that it hurts the head, if one thinks. People accept
>>>> servants as masters. My novels are merely entertaining persuasions to
>>> get
>>>> the people to think in other categories."
>>>>
>>>> With his long lists of absurd trivia and "mania for absolute details",
>>>> Condon was, along with Ian Fleming
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming>, one of the early
>>> exemplars of
>>>> those called by Pete Hamill<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hamill>
>>> in
>>>> a *New York Times* review, "the practitioners of what might be called
>>> the
>>>> New Novelism... Condon applies a dense web of facts to fiction.... There
>>>> might really be two kinds of fiction: the fiction of sensibility and the
>>>> fiction of information... As a practitioner of the fiction of
>>> information,
>>>> no one else comes close to him."[9]
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-9>
>>>> Quirks and characteristics[edit
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=5
>>>> ]
>>>>
>>>> Condon attacked his targets wholeheartedly but with a uniquely original
>>>> style and wit that made almost any paragraph from one of his books
>>>> instantly recognizable. Reviewing one of his works in the *International
>>>> Herald Tribune*, playwright George Axelrod
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Axelrod>  (*The Seven Year Itch
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Year_Itch_(play)>*, *Will
>>> Success
>>>> Spoil Rock Hunter
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Success_Spoil_Rock_Hunter>*), who
>>> had
>>>> collaborated with Condon on the screenplay for the film adaptation of
>>> *The
>>>> Manchurian Candidate*, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "The arrival of a new novel by Richard Condon is like an invitation to a
>>>> party.... the sheer gusto of the prose, the madness of his similes, the
>>>> lunacy of his metaphors, his infectious, almost child-like joy in
>>> composing
>>>> complex sentences that go bang at the end in the manner of exploding
>>> cigars
>>>> is both exhilarating and as exhausting as any good party ought to be."
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