What does "low-waisted" even mean, character-logically ?

Wed Mar 25 18:48:05 UTC 2020

Not necessarily,  Mark.   Short or long wasted is where the waist falls in relation to the shoulders on women’s bodies. - So short waisted would be shorter than average between the shoulders and the waist. It has nothing to do with the legs.   I am long waisted -  my waist is further (a longer ways) than average from my shoulders. But I have longish legs.  

The girl in the story has short legs but she could be long or short waisted - I have a couple cousins like that.   

Low waisted has to do with the distance from shoulders to waist in clothing.  It could be a low-waisted dress or where the jeans sit these days - below the belly-button is low waisted. Some dresses are styled like that.     

Becky 

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:02 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Among other things, I am now reading *War & Peace* in the early morning
> stillness.
> it has brought back this memory first. Edmund Wilson in *Upstate*, which I
> back- asswords read before
> *War & Peace* even the first time, all alone in upper New York state and of
> an age now,
> writing that Tolstoy was great to read in absolute stillness because all
> those voices; all that
> socializing; the drawing room conversations; the balls.....so full of
> life..he wrote, I believe, he could almost
> hear them. I've been listening too. (you know he learned Russian to read
> him and Dostoevsky and the others?)
> 
> but after that introduction, I want to report on a young woman in the novel
> described as of
> the average height of other girls her age but with very noticeable short
> legs. Which would mean
> low-waisted, right?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:57 AM peterthooper at juno.com <peterthooper at juno.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> this girl, Lori, in 8th grade co-Ed gym class, hanging by her knees on the
>> chinning bar, and I was looking at her and thinking, “Is she low-waisted?
>> Oh definitely!”
>> 
>> Chronology’s a little iffy. That would’ve been 1968 or 9.
>> My folks did give me Ayn Rand’s little double paperback for Christmas
>> 1970, though. Must’ve read the novels earlier.
>> 
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Raphael Saltwood
>> 
>> C) there is a strong temptation to post stuff that asks for devout
>> attention without doing the editing to earn it. I struggle with this myself.
>> 
>> — sometimes it’s just fun to write, isn’t it? (Challenge: write something,
>> anything, without posting it. You start!)
>> 
>> 
>> E) so a danger of viral infections is for the immune system to overreact?
>> 
>> — yeah, check this on melatonin:
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1756464619302452 (Flu
>> in mice, but the point is that melatonin worked against the ARD)
>> 
>> “overreaction of the host immune responses may...be involved in the
>> pathogenicity of the influenza virus in mice....An aberrantly aggressive
>> innate inflammatory response was a key contributor to the morbidity of the
>> 1918 influenza outbreak....studies suggest that a “cytokine storm” may be
>> an important factor leading to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS)
>> and respiratory failure in infected patients....“
>> 
>> ...Yada yada more medical verbiage than you can shake a stick at...
>> 
>> “ previous study has shown that melatonin treatment significantly reduces
>> the population of Th1 CD4 lymphocytes and increases the expression of
>> anti-inflammatory cytokine IL-10 as well as the population of
>> IL-10-producing CD4 T cells (Lin et al., 2009). We also found that
>> melatonin treatment significantly inhibits inflammation in situ and reduces
>> the severity of experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE) in mice
>> (Chen et al., 2016). Thus, in this study we investigated the therapeutic
>> potential of melatonin in influenza virus infection based on the previously
>> reported anti-oxidant and immune modulatory effect of melatonin. We found
>> that both high-dose melatonin pretreatment and treatment significantly
>> improved the survival of influenza virus-infected mice. Melatonin treatment
>> significantly increases the expression of IL-10 and TGF-β. The induction of
>> IL-10 by melatonin occurs via the upregulation of IL-27 expression in
>> dendritic cells (DCs). Melatonin also significantly inhibits the production
>> of TNF-α by CD8 T cells in virus-infected Balb/c mice. Furthermore,
>> co-treatment of melatonin and ribavirin significantly increases the
>> survival rate of virus-infected mice compared to that of mice treated with
>> ribavirin alone. Our study suggests that melatonin possesses therapeutic
>> potential in influenza-induced pneumonia and as an adjuvant treatment with
>> anti-viral drugs.”
>> 
>> 
>> (Who am I kidding? I plucked this reference from among 102 references
>> below an article -
>> 
>> namely,
>> https://www.evolutamente.it/covid-19-pneumonia-inflammasomes-the-melatonin-connection/
>> -  much more readable, though still pretty dense -
>> 
>> by the great science writer Doris Loh, which the OMNS (Orthomolecular News
>> Service) pointed me to)
>> 
>> what is potential p-list content?
>> Anything, right?
>> 
>> But what is quality p-list content?
>> I think these:
>> 
>> a subset that not only mentions Pynchon but engages some aspect of the
>> oeuvre
>> 
>> Or that one can imagine particular or generic p-listers enjoying
>> 
>> Or schtuff that one thinks is really cool and wants to share
>> 
>> Ymmv. I think that the occasion of a plague for societal power shifts
>> (such as yet more status and money accruing to the medical sector, as if
>> they need that) is Pynchonian. The details of the virus are also Pynchonian
>> grist, in the same way that arcana of the V-2 would be.
>> 
>> And sharing that vitamin c and melatonin make me feel better is just good
>> manners, but of course not going on and on about it is also good manners.
>> 
>> Anybody have some research on how weed might affect Covid? Asking for a
>> friend -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> f) But how do you think Mafia Winsome in V. provides a useful critique (or
>> other kind of helpful thought-form) applicable to Ayn Rand? Do you actually
>> have some notions about it?
>> 
>> Yes, and...
>> That’s a good occasion for me to write up a few drafts and shut up for
>> awhile. If you don’t hear from me by May, write it yourself!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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