Great Thread on 5GW in Ukraine

[rich]

hello

anyone familiar with the convoluted appalling history of Ukraine/Belarus in
the last 100 yrs cant be surprised those old ghosts are still making
themselves felt. I doubt you can fit so much contradiction, betrayal,
compromise, weakness, add any and all terms you like. I doubt current media
can deal with that level of grayness. My point is that the west is not
programmed for complexity. In the US, it's pretty much a given. and that's
from respected journalism. Now with social media being the purveyor of news
to the masses, god help us.

rich


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:43 PM Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
wrote:

> Asshole or not, he is basically right about Ukraine. The decisive event,
> which may yet turn out to be the decisive event in the history not only
> of the 21st century but of the human species, was the massacre of both
> Berkut (Ukrainian special police) and protesters on 20 February 2014,
> which was committed not by Yanukovich's people but by paramilitary
> (mostly Nazi/Banderite) forces from the opposition's ranks and
> collaborators from abroad. It is uncontroversial but little known that
> Berkut police were killed and wounded by opposition snipers in the early
> morning hours of that day.
>
> How do I know this, as the NYT and the WP, rightfully celebrated for
> their investigative reporting on WMD in Iraq, didn't mention any of it?
>
> Georgians have confessed to participating in the shooting on Italian and
> Israeli TV; Canadian political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has published
> and regularly updated a peer-reviewed scientific study on the topic
> which has been presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Political
> Science Association in 2015; the BBC has reported that one of their
> correspondents was shot at from the Hotel Ukraina which was in the hand
> of the opposition's paramilitary units. A German television crew even
> entered and filmed a room in the Hotel Ukraina from which a paramilitary
> unit shot at protesters -- a video that was scrubbed from Youtube in a
> hurry, but Katchanovski has it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rR2Fh1zWI (Italian Television,
> subtitles in English)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR1NFI6TBH0 (Italian Television,
> subtitles in English)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg (BBC Newsnight)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ivan.katchanovski/videos/989716864391533/ (the
> video that the ZDF does not want you to see)
>
>
> https://gordonhahn.com/2016/03/09/the-real-snipers-massacre-ukraine-february-2014-updatedrevised-working-paper/
> (a good summary).
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine
> (Ivan Katchanovski's study)
>
> The most important and most depressing aspect of this is the role of the
> Western establishment media. They were bad when Chomsky and Herman
> published "Manufacturing Consent". Ever since the Maidan protests, with
> regard to Russia, they are Der Stürmer.
>
>
>
>
> Am 08.10.2020 um 22:25 schrieb Mark Thibodeau:
> > Why would you promote this asshole's Twitter account?
> >
> > By the way, he isn't half as clever as he seems to think he is.
> >
> > And also, he's an asshole.
> >
> > YOPJerky
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:30 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not overtly about Pynchon, but Pynchon is the writer to me who can best
> >> describe a person’s brain undergoing intensive info-war...
> >>
> >>
> >> FOX News intern with three Phds (@realboyphysical) Tweeted:
> >> Thread on why the Ukraine 2014 Euromaidan Revolution is probably going
> to
> >> end up the defining event of the century https://t.co/HHQpMPhocE
> >> https://twitter.com/realboyphysical/status/1313302248919896067?s=20
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> --
> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
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