Great Thread on 5GW in Ukraine

[matthew cissell]

Hi folks,
Let's calm down. There is no denying the importance or complexity of the
situation in the Ukraine; and the fascistic element in Ukraine is not an
invention on Mr. Eckhardt's part.

However, the line "probably going to end up the defining event of the
century" is ... bold, to say the least. I mean it's only 2020, we have a
long way to go. The focus on Ukraine leaves out some other very important
and violently contentious areas. What about Kashmir? Or Nagorno- Karabakh.
A good measure of conceit is needed to make such proclamations.

Remember, this Fox News Intern is just trying to make his mark and get into
the conversion so that he can be part of the weave - positioning in order
to garner greater capital. Seems to be working because it is getting some
traction here.

I cherish this corner of the public sphere. let's keep it as civil as
possible otherwise we risk turning into a Reddit cliché.

Peace
mc otis

On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 12:43 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:

> Asshole or not, he is basically right about Ukraine. The decisive event,
> which may yet turn out to be the decisive event in the history not only
> of the 21st century but of the human species, was the massacre of both
> Berkut (Ukrainian special police) and protesters on 20 February 2014,
> which was committed not by Yanukovich's people but by paramilitary
> (mostly Nazi/Banderite) forces from the opposition's ranks and
> collaborators from abroad. It is uncontroversial but little known that
> Berkut police were killed and wounded by opposition snipers in the early
> morning hours of that day.
>
> How do I know this, as the NYT and the WP, rightfully celebrated for
> their investigative reporting on WMD in Iraq, didn't mention any of it?
>
> Georgians have confessed to participating in the shooting on Italian and
> Israeli TV; Canadian political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has published
> and regularly updated a peer-reviewed scientific study on the topic
> which has been presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Political
> Science Association in 2015; the BBC has reported that one of their
> correspondents was shot at from the Hotel Ukraina which was in the hand
> of the opposition's paramilitary units. A German television crew even
> entered and filmed a room in the Hotel Ukraina from which a paramilitary
> unit shot at protesters -- a video that was scrubbed from Youtube in a
> hurry, but Katchanovski has it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rR2Fh1zWI (Italian Television,
> subtitles in English)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR1NFI6TBH0 (Italian Television,
> subtitles in English)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg (BBC Newsnight)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ivan.katchanovski/videos/989716864391533/ (the
> video that the ZDF does not want you to see)
>
>
> https://gordonhahn.com/2016/03/09/the-real-snipers-massacre-ukraine-february-2014-updatedrevised-working-paper/
> (a good summary).
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine
> (Ivan Katchanovski's study)
>
> The most important and most depressing aspect of this is the role of the
> Western establishment media. They were bad when Chomsky and Herman
> published "Manufacturing Consent". Ever since the Maidan protests, with
> regard to Russia, they are Der Stürmer.
>
>
>
>
> Am 08.10.2020 um 22:25 schrieb Mark Thibodeau:
> > Why would you promote this asshole's Twitter account?
> >
> > By the way, he isn't half as clever as he seems to think he is.
> >
> > And also, he's an asshole.
> >
> > YOPJerky
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:30 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not overtly about Pynchon, but Pynchon is the writer to me who can best
> >> describe a person’s brain undergoing intensive info-war...
> >>
> >>
> >> FOX News intern with three Phds (@realboyphysical) Tweeted:
> >> Thread on why the Ukraine 2014 Euromaidan Revolution is probably going
> to
> >> end up the defining event of the century https://t.co/HHQpMPhocE
> >> https://twitter.com/realboyphysical/status/1313302248919896067?s=20
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> --
> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
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