BEg2 chapter 6 appreciations & a bit of research

Tue Dec 7 12:02:43 UTC 2021

I don't really want to argue with you outside of nicety nuances re BE at
times BUT

JT: )" looks like all the ultra powerful rich white males who participated
in raping young girls in Epsteinland will get off without even going to
trial; it’s all Ghislaine’s fault."

How can we take such a judgment seriously?  immediate projection based on
nothing that there will not be accountability for others, for participants.
I think it is just as likely
a successful conviction of Ghislaine is likely to lead to more such...I'll
bet just months ago, you were saying/thinking that Ghislaine would never
get to where she has.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:45 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Interesting connections. Wikipedia says Frick( Carnegie’s partner) bought
> the South Fork Dam with other steel magnates to create hunting fishing club
> mostly for Carnegie steel related millionaires. They lowered height of dam
> for road and removed and sold off relief pipes and valves. Big storm washed
> out dam and destroyed several towns below killing over 2000 people.  With
> lawyers and unclear legal accountability club/dam owners got off with no
> penalties.
>
> Recent related news:  1) looks like all the ultra powerful rich white
> males who participated in raping young girls in Epsteinland will get off
> without even going to trial; it’s all Ghislaine’s fault.     2) Honolulu
> just lost 20% of their water because jet fuel leaked from huge military
> container
>
> Frick was a big art collector like S Vibe and an anarchist named Berkman
> tried to kill him.
>
> Ice and some of the more non-fictional tech tycoons definitely seems to be
> living out this Robber Baron legacy.
>
> > On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:25 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > MB: "Carnegie Mellon - center of computing excellence. The Carnegie &
> Mellon
> > nexus (both were parties to the infamous Johnstown Flood, weren't they?)
> > conjures the Mellon-Scaife nexus, so with computer science, did Gabriel
> Ice
> > and Tallis imbibe horrid reactionary Mammon-worship as well?"
> >
> > Most of this is very true and nicely contextual for Pynchon't themes. 1)
> > I'm not so sure
> > that Carnegie and Mellon were parties to the Johnstown flood, but I don't
> > that flood in great detail.
> > I do know that fixing the situation before the possibility of such a
> flood
> > did not happen probably due to the
> > usual greed of the rigging institutions.
> >
> > Also, Carnegie Mellon is an interesting institution in another way. It
> > started out as Carnengie Tech but was
> > famous for the arts, particularly the visual arts. It's most
> distinguished young girls
> > attendee---I think he graduated but I'd have
> > to look it up-- was the great Andy Warhol. It was one of the best art
> > schools in the US back in that day. It was still Carnegie Tech
> > when I grew up in Pittsburgh but in my adulthood a new President took
> > charge and saw the computer-reliant future and
> > reshaped the school mightily......
> >
> > Scarsdale Vibe as you might remember is some kind of
> > Carnegie-Frick-Mellon-like supervillain.....Pittsburgh famous as the
> > worst/best
> > example of the major effects of the industrial revolution--dehumanization
> > and suppression of the worker and his rights and the
> > eco-pollution we are still living with. (Although almost all the steel
> > production has left Pittsburgh)
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:45 PM Michael Bailey <
> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> March graduated from Kugelblitz herself.
> >> Presumably, then, the school is part of the liberal faction & Maxine's
> >> choice of it tells a bit more about her leanings.
> >> The place reminds me a bit of Summerhill, only in that it has an
> eccentric
> >> founder & is probably not wedded to the "No Child Left Behind"
> curriculum.
> >>
> >> pari passu - from Investopedia: Pari-passu is a Latin phrase meaning
> >> "*equal
> >> footing*." In finance, "equal footing" means that two or more parties
> to a
> >> financial contract or claim are all treated the same. Pari-passu is
> common
> >> in bankruptcy proceedings as well as debts such as parity bonds in which
> >> each party gets the same amount.
> >>
> >> If March's coolness is "pari passu" vis a vis her son-in-law Gabriel
> Ice's
> >> rapidly increasing wealth i guess that means it's treated the same - the
> >> wealthier he grows, the cooler she becomes to him. Unusual choice of
> >> descriptor, isn't it? The allusion to bankruptcy proceedings makes "her
> >> coolness" and "his increasing wealth" aren't just a twosome, but
> parties in
> >> a larger context - which is, perhaps, the social context of the times as
> >> parsed & criticized by March (&, perhaps, Mr Pynchon) - aka the
> >> "decky-dance" from way back in V.
> >>
> >> Carnegie Mellon - center of computing excellence. The Carnegie & Mellon
> >> nexus (both were parties to the infamous Johnstown Flood, weren't they?)
> >> conjures the Mellon-Scaife nexus, so with computer science, did Gabriel
> Ice
> >> and Tallis imbibe horrid reactionary Mammon-worship as well?
> >>
> >> Co-oping frenzy - co-op sounds so nice, like the ILGWU co-ops, but these
> >> were evil co-ops where landlords didn't want to deal with rent control
> or
> >> any other obstacles to maximizing profit. "Apartment doors removed for
> >> 'routine maintenance,' garbage uncollected, attack dogs, hired goons,
> >> eighties pop played really loud."
> >>
> >> still happening:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.propublica.org/article/the-vote-that-made-new-york-city-rents-so-high
> >> (this is re moving them out of rent-controlled spaces, but, same
> >> difference)
> >>
> >> Inflatable rat -
> >>
> >>
> https://www.npr.org/2021/08/06/1024315097/how-a-beloved-giant-rat-won-free-speech-rights
> >>
> >> March was "slender, with shoulder-length red hair parted in the middle
> and
> >> then pulled back into a snood"
> >>
> >> Snood - Google images show a variety of thingies by this name,
> including a
> >> bunch of things on gentlemen that look like neck gaiters.
> >> Maybe something like this
> >> https://garlandsofgrace.com/product/megs-stayput-snood-styler/
> >>
> >> Picket line animosity "some, well, argumentative gesturing, extending to
> >> casual contact which the Post may have amplified slightly in the story
> it
> >> ran. Cops showed up. As light faded and deadlines approached, the crowd
> >> thinned out."
> >>
> >>
> >> "The nearest bar was the Old Sod, technically Irish, though an aging gay
> >> Brit or two may have wandered infrequently in."
> >> - Pynchon adds a connotation, actually kind of droll, or maybe a
> reference
> >> to sodomy in conjunction with post-colonialism in Ireland? Since it's
> not
> >> exactly topical for the story, it's even more interesting. Love this
> stuff!
> >> There are a lot of Irish bars in NYC & some of the famous Irish
> attitude -
> >> eg the Irish doorman at the Deseret "bidding them a peevish good day,
> the
> >> gate clanging shut. When Irish eyes are *not* smiling, you should have a
> >> better story or a pair of running shoes." - may stem from this history
> of
> >> oppression. By introducing the element of "queering," Pynchon signals
> the
> >> existence of possible Anglo-Celtic rapprochement through non-standard
> >> sexual attraction, although it's "infrequent."
> >>
> >> Papa Doble - big daiquiri with a lot of rum, maraschino liqueur,
> maraschino
> >> cherry, sugar syrup, and some lime and grapefruit juice to keep it
> healthy
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric Outfield gives Reg the CD or DVD - the scene segues *so* quickly
> from
> >> Maxine's office to the bus & back to Reg handing Maxine the disc, it's
> like
> >> those new ads on tv that cut in & you don't realize at first that it's
> an
> >> ad (imho) -
> >>
> >> "Today an insane white Christer at one end of the car was competing
> with a
> >> black a capella group at the other. Perfect conditions. "Brought you
> >> something," Reg handing over a disc.
> >> ----- to Maxine -----
> >> "I'm supposed to tell you it's been personally blessed by Linus himself,
> >> with penguin piss."
> >>
> >> Penguin piss - penguin being the symbol or logo for Linux, so presumably
> >> the closest thing to holy water ?
> >>
> >>
> >> "...so many of (Eric Outfield's co-workers) spend their hours down in
> the
> >> mainframe room snorting Halon out of the fire extinguishers that they
> may
> >> lack some perspective."
> >>
> >> Strong hyperbole!
> >> Or so I thought:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Huffing-The-drug-abuse-problem-hiding-in-plain-sight-372297412.html
> >>
> >> Sheesh - what people won't do! Reminds me of V. where the sailors are
> >> drinking aviation fuel.
> >> --
> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
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