BEg2 Chap 8 Summary Part 1

[Mark Kohut]

I'm sorry I, as part of we, bore you, so I won't bother you any
more........You are too too......whatever, whenever you speak............

I know people who don't bore so easily; I'll go back to them.....

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 4:00 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Welcome Thomas
>   Been awhile. We are back at the same old same old. Kind of boring. I
> seem to have roused anger among some. This was not intentional. Fortunately
> I only see Morris's hate mail indirectly in other member's posts, otherwise
> it goes in the trash.Not a bad use of email preferences.
>
> List
> I feel bad because this is supposed to be a discussion of ch 8 and I
> introduced a forbidden if somewhat unavoidable topic not to push a theory
> but to probe at whether Pynchon’s look at 9-11 is asking any of the same
> questions I and so many have asked. I don’t have a clear theory, but I do
> have problems with the mainstream narrative as I do with some of the
> insider theories. I never expected agreement with my thoughts on how P is
> handling the topic and many of those thoughts are tentative as I suspect
> many of his are. But hey, maybe he is actually the omniscient God Devil
> author of this lost planet and just unwilling to let us in on the joke til
> the mortal veil is lifted. I doubt it but a person has no choice but to
> face whatever surprises or sudden final period life and death have to
> offer.
>     I came to the list years ago when Dave Monroe was a central  figure,
> because someone gave me Vineland  and I laughed my ass off while taking a
> ride through America's version of 1984. Reading and writing about Pynchon
> and other topics has been an exercise in critical thinking and a deepening
> appreciation for a unique intellect with a unique approach to fiction who,
> if nothing else shares a picture of plutocrats, colonialism, state
> violence, and social injustice that makes sense to me. He also has an
> appetite for the silly, playful and light filled glory of earthly existance
> that I love traipsing through. From giggles to horror I’m all in.  Through
> the sparring on the list I got used to adjusting my ideas about what I read
> and to holding fast to what seemed good to me. I left for a good while at
> the start of the Russiagate fiasco because disgreement stirred too much
> emotion and had earlier driven away Robin Landseadel, one of my favorite P
> listers. I was also getting more involved in qigong and my own art-making,
> permaculture efforts, teaching and nonfiction reading material.
>
> Morris
> Insults and social bullying are not effective forms of persuasion. The
> ease with which you and others are duped by these tactics was on full
> disply with Russiagate,  and also in your recent insults and verbal abuse
> to Thomas and probably myself. The trouble with binary models of reality is
> that both sides can be held together by a pack of lies and self
> righteousness just as both sides can be different ways of seeing truth. I
> personally think some ideas and practices are loathsome and some generate
> health, compassion and wisdom, so I am not a person to utterly deny the use
> of binary models but I try to be selective and avoid being easily
> categorized in the culture wars.  Trying to fit others into one of these
> categories is frequently dishonest and a way to conjure straw men which are
> conveniently easy to torch.This is far too common in current discourse.
> Respectful persuasion and strong logic and evidence has a better chance of
> good results.
>
> Mark
> Your sentence that I quoted was mangled but I do get that you don’t like
> March K . This does not surprise me. I think Pynchon’s take is quite a bit
> more sympathetic, but hey, that could be my own sympathy.
>
> Maybe March is just an updated free silverite, her face tilted toward OZ,
> marching inwardly with Coxie’s army. I like her, partly because she is
> angry at the right things, though anger is its own drug and hard to tame
> and direct skillfully and wisely. Keep a cool head, but care, if I may
> paraphrase. I see in her also the same kind of sympathetic parental heart
> as I see in Ernie.
>
> My use of the f word was unnecessarily pissy. I tend to read sloppy
> sentences directed at me as disrespectful and can react  badly.
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Huebschraeuber via Pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> >
> > We are the same person, which I noted when I send my first comment to
> > the list from the new account.
> >
> > Am 11.12.2021 um 14:35 schrieb David Morris:
> >
> >> This post now has me confused.
> >>
> >> Wasn’t the post below (“I am not sure about irony…”) from Thomas
> >> Eckhardt?  Why is this Hueb asshole now sending it out?
> >>
> >> By the way, Huebschraeuber, FUCK OFF.
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >
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