NP: Bellingcat

[David Morris]

Um…

I’m not sure you guys are even talking about the same topic anymore.  Just
to be clear:

1.  “Russiagate” refers to all attempts by Russian internet media hackers
to generate massive amounts of fake news and astroturf organizing to sway
as many American people as possible to either:
     a) Support, organize and vote for Trump 2016.  Or…
     b)  Become disillusioned, etc. and stay home and not vote at all.  Or…
     C) Any other variations by Russia to get Trump to win 2016.


2.  “Russiagate” doesn’t have anything to do with what became of the “Arab
Spring” as it played out and died in Syria.


3.  “Russiagate” might refer to the misnamed (by Joe Tracey last night or
last week (but ONLY here on the P-list - no one else on the planet calls it
that)) as our brief period in 2014 of discussion  of the merits of Russia’s
annexation of Crimea (in 2014), in which discussion the person known here
as “Thomas Eckhardt” argued that Putin wasn’t really that bad, and that the
Ukraine was at that point overrun by fascists that really needed to be put
down by Putin.

*Is that all (1,2&3 above) correct?*  So, Russiagate didn’t involve any “White
Helmets,” right?

David Morris

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 5:57 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you think Russiagate was some kind of "hoax" (like Trump and everyone
> who supports him do), then do you also suspect Biden stole the 2020
> election?
>
> Russiagate was no hoax, by any reasonable metric. And as for kicking me
> while I'm down (if I was the intended target of said jab)... if that's the
> extent of your kicking power, go nuts!
>
> YOPJ
>
> PS - Just for one example:
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/russiagate-wasnt-a-hoax/615373/
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 5:02 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > I have never heard that the white helmets were a paramilitary strike
> force
> > even from those who exposed them as a complete fake created/oganized by
> an
> > unscrupulous British intelligence agent who pocketed a fair amount of
> cash.
> > But just look at the footage if you have any interest, bad movie making
> > reeking of staged scenes. I think this is what the military call a
> psy-op.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 13, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > That about sums Bellingcat up, yes. NED ( "A lot of what we do today
> was
> > > done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.") funding should merit a
> mention,
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Nobody ever claimed Assad was a "great guy" or that the White Helmets
> > > are a "paramilitary strikeforce". But you know that.
> > >
> > > Funny how in the course of a few years the Empire's Mighty Wurlitzer
> has
> > > managed to bring formerly functioning intellects down to the level of
> > > the proverbial school yard bully.
> > >
> > > While I am in a fighting mood - want to discuss Russiagate? Like we did
> > > in the good old days?
> > >
> > > Only kidding, of course. I am not the kind of person to kick someone
> > > when he is down.
> > >
> > > Am 13.12.2021 um 21:47 schrieb Mark Thibodeau:
> > >> B-But I thought Bellingcat was untrustworthy because they refuse to
> > admit
> > >> what a great guy al-Bashear really is (liberator of Syria, man!), and
> > fail
> > >> to acknowledge that the White Helmets are the photo-fakingest, single
> > most
> > >> deadliest elite trained paramilitary strikeforce in that entire bloody
> > >> conflict... no?
> > >>
> > >> Jerky
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
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>