NP: Bellingcat

[Mark Kohut]

Yes, that is correct David. Thomas's best worst moments until the other
building collapse conspiracy stupidity.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 6:55 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Um…
>
> I’m not sure you guys are even talking about the same topic anymore.  Just
> to be clear:
>
> 1.  “Russiagate” refers to all attempts by Russian internet media hackers
> to generate massive amounts of fake news and astroturf organizing to sway
> as many American people as possible to either:
>      a) Support, organize and vote for Trump 2016.  Or…
>      b)  Become disillusioned, etc. and stay home and not vote at all.  Or…
>      C) Any other variations by Russia to get Trump to win 2016.
>
>
> 2.  “Russiagate” doesn’t have anything to do with what became of the “Arab
> Spring” as it played out and died in Syria.
>
>
> 3.  “Russiagate” might refer to the misnamed (by Joe Tracey last night or
> last week (but ONLY here on the P-list - no one else on the planet calls it
> that)) as our brief period in 2014 of discussion  of the merits of Russia’s
> annexation of Crimea (in 2014), in which discussion the person known here
> as “Thomas Eckhardt” argued that Putin wasn’t really that bad, and that the
> Ukraine was at that point overrun by fascists that really needed to be put
> down by Putin.
>
> *Is that all (1,2&3 above) correct?*  So, Russiagate didn’t involve any
> “White
> Helmets,” right?
>
> David Morris
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 5:57 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If you think Russiagate was some kind of "hoax" (like Trump and everyone
> > who supports him do), then do you also suspect Biden stole the 2020
> > election?
> >
> > Russiagate was no hoax, by any reasonable metric. And as for kicking me
> > while I'm down (if I was the intended target of said jab)... if that's
> the
> > extent of your kicking power, go nuts!
> >
> > YOPJ
> >
> > PS - Just for one example:
> >
> >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/russiagate-wasnt-a-hoax/615373/
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 5:02 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I have never heard that the white helmets were a paramilitary strike
> > force
> > > even from those who exposed them as a complete fake created/oganized by
> > an
> > > unscrupulous British intelligence agent who pocketed a fair amount of
> > cash.
> > > But just look at the footage if you have any interest, bad movie making
> > > reeking of staged scenes. I think this is what the military call a
> > psy-op.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 13, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > > pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That about sums Bellingcat up, yes. NED ( "A lot of what we do today
> > was
> > > > done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.") funding should merit a
> > mention,
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > Nobody ever claimed Assad was a "great guy" or that the White Helmets
> > > > are a "paramilitary strikeforce". But you know that.
> > > >
> > > > Funny how in the course of a few years the Empire's Mighty Wurlitzer
> > has
> > > > managed to bring formerly functioning intellects down to the level of
> > > > the proverbial school yard bully.
> > > >
> > > > While I am in a fighting mood - want to discuss Russiagate? Like we
> did
> > > > in the good old days?
> > > >
> > > > Only kidding, of course. I am not the kind of person to kick someone
> > > > when he is down.
> > > >
> > > > Am 13.12.2021 um 21:47 schrieb Mark Thibodeau:
> > > >> B-But I thought Bellingcat was untrustworthy because they refuse to
> > > admit
> > > >> what a great guy al-Bashear really is (liberator of Syria, man!),
> and
> > > fail
> > > >> to acknowledge that the White Helmets are the photo-fakingest,
> single
> > > most
> > > >> deadliest elite trained paramilitary strikeforce in that entire
> bloody
> > > >> conflict... no?
> > > >>
> > > >> Jerky
> > > >
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