BEg2 chapter 8: Child of countless trees/child of boundless seas

Tue Dec 14 18:21:16 UTC 2021

Throwing out "She's twelve" is the tell.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 1:13 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> What you suggest is how I’ve read it before, but Maxine saying she’s 12
> stuck out more. Maxine has kids close to this age and  walks them to school
> and sees kids across the spectrum . I teach( glass arts and other art)
> young students in the summer and a weekly  evening glass class for
> freshman-senior. If I said someone was 12 , the oldest they would be is 14.
> Also he is lying about his name. It all just struck me as more creepy. If I
> found out an adult was having sex with one of my students it wouldn’t be
> funny. The fact that Maxine mostly wants Lucas to pay her for an important
> contribution does indicate she may be exaggerating on her age estimate and
> just being emphatic that this isn’t cool. But I thought I ‘d throw out this
> darker thought and see if any more evidence turns up. There is also
> something about L being drawn to the abyss that I wonder about. Later we
> find out Vyrva is sleeping with Ice and that is why she is away so much.
> Also Maxine has a suspicion Vyrva is sleeping with Luke. How much is hidden
> under outward show? Is Pynchon reversing some of the predator prey roles.
> Slaggiatt, IgorDashkov and Misha and Grisha seem at first glance
> suspicious, but their actual doings are far less predatory than Ice or
> whoever in the CIA had Windust hunted down.
>   I think your view has strong arguments and is just intuitively more
> likely. But I wanted to get this darker reaction in the record and in my
> own radar  and see if anything else like that shows up.
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> > On Dec 14, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Allen Ruch <quail at shipwrecklibrary.com>
> wrote:
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> > I take this to be exaggeration, not some illegal/Epstein situation. I
> know that Maxine characterizes Cassidy's age as "south of anything legal"
> and says, "She's twelve," but I think that's typical Maxine exaggeration,
> like the "hair of an orchid shade not on any map of the human genome," etc.
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> > In 2001, the age of consent in New York was 17. Here's the evidence that
> makes me believe Cassidy is actually in her early 20s. Cassidy has multiple
> tattoos, which you can only legally get at the age of 18. She mentions that
> she goes to frequent clubs, which means she'd have to have identification
> showing she's 21. And she also has/had a job at a graphic design company,
> which implies she's out of, or at least on the late stages of, college.
> (But certainly out of high school.) So I'd say she's in her early 20s. And
> having known people in their thirties who have dated people in their early
> twenties, a common joke/criticism is, "What, she's/he's like <insert wildly
> inappropriate age>?" So I certainly don’t take Maxine literally here.
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> > Now, yes I know: you can find tattoo artists who will overlook the age
> restriction, you can get a fake ID, and you can get a job while still in
> high school, even at a professional design company if you have the right
> connections. But all of those together? Seems unlikely for me. Also, if
> this really were a Lolita situation, I really don't think Momma Maxine
> would be so casual about it! Maxine may not have the best moral compass,
> but that's hard to overlook. Nor would Lucas have been so eager to send
> Maxine into the bathroom to meet Cassidy. If he were sleeping with a
> sixteen-year old (or younger) girl, I would suspect he'd try to hide that
> awful shit, rather than bring her to a diner to break up with her and then
> ask an adult woman with one foot in law-enforcement to check up on her.
> >
> > This does not absolve Lucas from his cad-like behavior of giving a false
> name, etc. But I don't think he's some Judge Roy Moore-like monster.
> >
> > I hadn't thought of possession to explain Cassidy's "forces."
> Interesting....I need to look deeper ono Pixie Colman... I don't think she
> claimed any esoteric inspiration for her work on the Tarot deck, but she
> was a member of the Golden Dawn...
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> > —Quail
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> > PS: One of my favorite Dead songs
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> > https://www.dead.net/song/cassidy
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> > On 12/14/21, 4:50 AM, "Pynchon-l on behalf of Joseph Tracy" <
> pynchon-l-bounces at waste.org on behalf of brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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> >> On Dec 13, 2021, at 4:56 AM, Michael Bailey <
> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wroteLucas & Cassidy - “better start paying
> her royalties” see this is Maxine
> >> flexing. She has some clout.
> >>
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> >    I have been wondering about this whole scene  in a rather different
> way because it implies that Lucas may be a very shady character. He is,
> legally speaking, raping ( statutory is bull) an underage girl from whom he
> got a key component of his part of Deep Archer.  He is lying to her about
> his name. Also why was Lucas at hwgaahwgh ? I thought he was the graphics
> dude getting generous help from the world of hackers and gamers and open
> source. No earlier mention of him having this connection.Is Maxine going to
> follow up on this?  Also it gets creepy in another way “Did you have any
> kind of a contract with Lucas, Kyle, whatever?”
> >      "“No and I wasn’t doing it out of love, either. Hard to explain. It
> was all just coming from somewhere, for about a day and a half I felt I was
> duked in on forces outside my normal perimeter, you know? Not scared, just
> wanted to get it over with,…” She says if she came to it now she would like
> to apply javascript public void close which I need help to understand, but
> sound like some knd of impairment.Basically it sounds like black magic or
> posession. She is being used and perhaps by more than Lucas.
> >
> >    Frankly this sounds like 2 aspects of Jeffrey Epstein. The connection
> to rape of underage girls and his connection to Promis, Robert Maxwell, and
> that whole rabbit hole.  Anyway to me Lucas looks way more fishy this time
> around.
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> >    With Inslaw out of the way, Brian sold the software all over the
> world. Eitan later recruited Robert Maxwell to become another Promis
> salesman, which he did remarkably well, even succeeding in selling the
> software to Soviet intelligence and conspiring with <
> https://www.wrmea.org/003-september/book-review-robert-maxwell-israel-s-superspy.html>
> Republican Texas Senator John Tower to have the software adopted by the
> U.S. government laboratory at Los Alamos. Dozens of countries used the
> software on their most carefully guarded computer systems, unaware that
> Mossad now had access to everything Promis touched…..a few years after
> Epstein’s release from prison following his conviction for soliciting sex
> from a minor in 2008, Barak formed a company with Epstein with the chief
> purpose of investing in an Israeli start-up then known as Reporty. That
> company, now called Carbyne, sells its signature software to 911 call
> centers and emergency service
> >    Israeli media reported that Epstein and Barak were among the
> company’s largest investors. Barak poured millions into the company and it
> was recently revealed <
> https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-11-2019/> by Haaretz that a
> significant amount of Barak’s total investments in Carbyne was funded by
> Epstein, making him a “de facto partner” in the company. Barak is now
> Carbyne’s chairman <https://carbyne911.com/team/>.   written by Whitney
> Webb
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