Late capitalism a quote

[Joseph Tracy]

 I don’t know who" you all” is supposed to be. This is March K talking, not me. I agree in some ways with her, but I posted this as informing the earlier converstion about the phrase "late capitalism”as used in BE, not as a statement of personal opinion. I am mostly against wars of aggression and against the continuation of ecocidal behavior. To me there is no upside to continung these practices, economically or biologically, and no downside worth worrying about to peaceful coexistance with other humans and other life forms. How people might adopt  those basic survival goals does not matter that much to me. I want future generations to continue for many millennia and these are the changes we need to evolve into.  It is too late to avoid  a disastrous wave of ecological consequences from industrial resource extraction and fossil fuel reliance. Many things are aready changing in ways that people didn't want but are the direct consequence of “whatever we live in”.  The world now has millions of climate and war refugees who are not so happy with current arrangements and would like "radical change". The problems are not imaginary or philosophical. They are physics; they are economic; they are  real violence and for millions degrading exile from the human community. 
  As far as "all that angst', that is your projection. My personal state of mind or emotion is more  than anything you can know about.  I am an agnostic skeptic of all isms including my own tentative embrace of anarchism as  modeled in certain tribal peoples and religious communities like the Hutterites, Quakers, the Bruderhof, liberation theology communities  and even to some degree in northern European  or Icelandic socialism. Through these examples I see that things can and do change because of humane ideals. I also have direct experience of living in a communal group that took in people who needed temporary lodging. It didn’t change the world, but it changed us and gave a helping hand to  many.  
  I think you are right that most people who are comfortable and feel secure in their life don’t want radical change.  In my own life I am trying for incremental change toward ecological sustainability. But on a global scale big change is coming and perhaps we all need to think about some of these larger issues. 

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:48 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> you all blame capitalism like you blame religion, state, technology or the matrix. easy to offload all that angst onto a concept. maybe it makes you feel better but nothing changes, does it? most of us dont want radical change. the simple matter is whatever we live in provides to most. that may be hard to stomach. but it's true. prophets are the biggest hypocrites
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> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:04 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> This topic came up earlier and I just found this quote in conversation about Igor paying Maxine for warning about Madoff pyramid scheme. Madoff had a Pynchonian name without even trying. One of Madoff's kids was at a school where I teach an evening  art class . Very hard on him.
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> “No, I meant late capitalism is a pyramid racket on a global scale, the kind of pyramid you do human sacrifices up on top of, meantime getting the suckers to believe it’s all gonna go on forever.”
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