Late capitalism a quote

[rich]

I wasn't speaking of you specifically, Joseph. pbly usage of y'all was
ill-advised. I do apologize for that.

rich

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 4:35 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

>  I don’t know who" you all” is supposed to be. This is March K talking,
> not me. I agree in some ways with her, but I posted this as informing the
> earlier converstion about the phrase "late capitalism”as used in BE, not as
> a statement of personal opinion. I am mostly against wars of aggression and
> against the continuation of ecocidal behavior. To me there is no upside to
> continung these practices, economically or biologically, and no downside
> worth worrying about to peaceful coexistance with other humans and other
> life forms. How people might adopt  those basic survival goals does not
> matter that much to me. I want future generations to continue for many
> millennia and these are the changes we need to evolve into.  It is too late
> to avoid  a disastrous wave of ecological consequences from industrial
> resource extraction and fossil fuel reliance. Many things are aready
> changing in ways that people didn't want but are the direct consequence of
> “whatever we live in”.  The world now has millions of climate and war
> refugees who are not so happy with current arrangements and would like
> "radical change". The problems are not imaginary or philosophical. They are
> physics; they are economic; they are  real violence and for millions
> degrading exile from the human community.
>   As far as "all that angst', that is your projection. My personal state
> of mind or emotion is more  than anything you can know about.  I am an
> agnostic skeptic of all isms including my own tentative embrace of
> anarchism as  modeled in certain tribal peoples and religious communities
> like the Hutterites, Quakers, the Bruderhof, liberation theology
> communities  and even to some degree in northern European  or Icelandic
> socialism. Through these examples I see that things can and do change
> because of humane ideals. I also have direct experience of living in a
> communal group that took in people who needed temporary lodging. It didn’t
> change the world, but it changed us and gave a helping hand to  many.
>   I think you are right that most people who are comfortable and feel
> secure in their life don’t want radical change.  In my own life I am trying
> for incremental change toward ecological sustainability. But on a global
> scale big change is coming and perhaps we all need to think about some of
> these larger issues.
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:48 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> you all blame capitalism like you blame religion, state, technology or the
> matrix. easy to offload all that angst onto a concept. maybe it makes you
> feel better but nothing changes, does it? most of us dont want radical
> change. the simple matter is whatever we live in provides to most. that may
> be hard to stomach. but it's true. prophets are the biggest hypocrites
>
> rich
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> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:04 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> This topic came up earlier and I just found this quote in conversation
>> about Igor paying Maxine for warning about Madoff pyramid scheme. Madoff
>> had a Pynchonian name without even trying. One of Madoff's kids was at a
>> school where I teach an evening  art class . Very hard on him.
>>
>> March
>> “No, I meant late capitalism is a pyramid racket on a global scale, the
>> kind of pyramid you do human sacrifices up on top of, meantime getting the
>> suckers to believe it’s all gonna go on forever.”
>>
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