Peter Coviello: Vineland Reread

[Mark Kohut]

Not quite. That is only part of it, although Frenesi is of course a key
part.
It is about how this nation failed to enact the possible
countercultural vision
that the ending of CoL49 opened up to. It is about how America fell from
ideals (again) to cartoon visions of itself. How the 60s generation could
not keep it going with a real political coalition. Simplistically, I offer
timidly,
how we sold out.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 7:35 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow.  So you gather that VL mostly a satire cartoon about US
> sexual/(world) politics?  That’s probably why I hate it.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:25 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pynchon's deepest vision of sexual relations in in a patriarchal
>> power-domination, politically sado-masochististic
>> Western world, led by the US.
>>
>> We all know the key scene in GR where he "obscenely' embodied this, said
>> the patriarchal power structure
>> of Columbia University's Board of Trustees.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert, sexism in VL, shortlist:
>>>
>>> 1.  Frenesi betrays almost everyone she knows **for no other offered
>>> reason**   than that he’s a manly cop in a uniform.
>>>
>>> 2.  Prairie almost masturbates as Brock Vond flies  away, wishing he’d
>>> swoop back down for her.
>>>
>>> These two most central female characters in COL49 desire, deep down, to
>>> be
>>> dominated by men in uniforms.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>>
>>> > David, I'm curious as to why you call it sexist, and sorry you dislike
>>> it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> --
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>>>
>>