BE group read: CH 2

[David Morris]

A hash slinger is a short order cook. Someone who “slings” crap food across
a grill and onto a plate, to be served in a cheap diner.  “Crap thrower”
might be its equivalent.  Or crap “server”:  somebody who serves crap.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 3:39 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> > "kleptos of monstrous proportions, but all of these people are wined and
> dined and enabled  by bankers, insurers, lawyers ad inifintium in New York,
> London (especially), Zurich--those are the centers of modern corruption not
> Moscow or Beijing (though they have many players in the game). stateless
> banking is the adversary here.”    rich
> and credit card rates that start where people used to be indicted for
> loansharking.
>
> And hashslingerz is not just one of the private kleptos, but is founded on
> software to protect and insulate both the kleptos and perhaps government
> secrets too..My first suspect as real world parallel is Google whose
> founders were from  earliest research at Stanford funded by military and
> intelligence money(
> https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e
> <
> https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e>
> ). If you design super fast efficient code to find everything on the web,
> you probably know more than anyone about how and where to hide stuff from
> searches, hackers etc. You also have a big say in what information searches
> turn up.
>
>  One thing I wonder about is the name hashslingerz. is the hash potatoes?
> Doesn’t sound right or connect to anything obvious in the book.
> Hash tags,  secure hash algorithms, hash functions etc seem a better bet
> as basic to digital processes, encryption etc.
> And is it slingerz with the once clever z people use, or  is it lingers?
> the dangers of leaving a digital trail? Both? So I get the image of a
> digital short order cook at a resturaunt near you serving a universal need,
> like say free email accounts, becoming a virtual monopoly and leader of
> surveillance capitalism, but with a second  less obvious agenda as it
> enters the world of intelligence contracts . Again Google fits the bill.
>
> On the other hand the timing seems iffy. All the core  search engine
> software was there before 2001 plus a lot of funding toward the IPO, but
> the actual IPO happened in 2004. They went super-big fast and its hard to
> say if 9-11 helped them but it certainly created an everybody is suspicious
> and no one should expect anonymity atmosphere… except? well we may need to
> make some exceptions for the managers of this new digital panopticon.
>
> I’m probably drifting too paranoid, maybe too much garlic here; just tryin
> to keep the vampires at bay. Rein me in with some different takes. This is
> supposed to be fun , right.
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 2021, at 2:16 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy
> >
> > I'll leave others to answer the deep web question, but one presumes
> hashlingerz and others are private companies, for which, there is a ,
> dearth of information. Public companies whose shares are traded on public
> exchanges are required to file reports with the SEC on the company and its
> top execs (and even those are questionable), but there is no such
> requirement for private companies, so you can find little more than state
> registration info (and good luck if they are registered in Delaware or
> South Dakota, the latter is the new Caymans--countries so designated tax
> havens can now add the US to that list). So, no surprise one can find
> anything on Lexis Nexis.
> > One can see how corrupting the system can be when information is the
> baseline, and only those with resources can take full advantage. I'm
> surprised Maxine can nail anyone of substance. Yes, there are oligarchs and
> corrupt heads of state and kleptos of monstrous proportions, but all of
> these people are winded and dined and enabled  by bankers, insurers,
> lawyers ad inifintium in New York, London (especially), Zurich--those are
> the centers of modern corruption not Moscow or Beijing (though they have
> many players in the game). stateless banking is the adversary here.
> >
> > rich
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 12:43 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > Maxine suggests that the information Reg needs about hashslingerz would
> normally be easy to get to with Nexis Lexis, HotBot….
> >
> > R “What I’m really looking for,” solemn more than impatient, “probably
> won’t be anyplace any search engine can get to.”
> > M “Because . . . what you’re looking for . . .”
> >  R  “Just normal company records—daybooks, ledgers, logs, tax sheets.
> But try to have a look, and that’s when it gets weird, everything stashed
> away far far beyond the reach of LexisNexis.”
> >
> > Here we get our first indication that there is a web that is not
> avilable to the public, except with special procedures and passwords , the
> deep web . This deep web operates in the novel in 2 ways, as the reality of
> a secret communication and infomation storage system and IMO as  a kind of
> digital subconscious where new forms  and arenas of consciousness are
> emerging, a telling reflection of our desires and hidden doings.
> >
> > Practically  It brings up questions out of my depth. I have a general
> idea of the the deepweb but plenty that I don’t understand at all. I assume
> it means code stored on servers as opposed to computers. So I will try to
> ask some questions and hope there are p-listers who understand this stuff
> better than I do and might be wiling to offer or direct us to good info.
> >
> > Are there servers that are just private storage or are all servers
> required to register
> > or have some trackable identity? What exactly does it mean to be
> indexed? How hidden can information be.
> > There are drug and contraband dealers who use the deep web. This and any
> other illicit use of the deep web is often called the dark web. Is access
> by word of mouth? what keeps them from being busted? are transactons
> possible here without known addresses? suggested articles?
> > on stored in the Deep Web be?  Are there search engines like deep archer
> that can find and make acessible the deep web. Has getting this access
> always been the essence of hacking?
> > It seems that P is suggesting digital tech opens new ways to hide money
> transactions etc. Has anyone tried to estimate the tax losses etc? Any
> thoughts on how much of this is going on?
> > Does anyone have more intelligent questions about this. I read the
> wikipedia article on this topic  last time we read BE and not much stuck.
> I Will re-read more on the topic  but it’s definitely not my natural
> terrain. Pretty ok at photo editing and paint programs but that only as it
> relates to my own art processes and website.
> >
> >  Some expertise in this area of the functioning of the Deep web/Dark Web
> would definitely add to understading BE.
> >
> >
> >
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