The Pokey Little Puppy

Thu Oct 14 21:24:30 UTC 2021

I'll get one and I'm IN....can we ad lib around the Read or must we fully
honor the text alone?

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:21 PM David Elliott <ellidavd at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ah! I finally found my The Pokey Little Puppy book. I haven’t read it
> since I was about 5. Anybody up for another group read?
>
> On Thursday, October 14, 2021, 10:00:27 AM EDT, Mark Kohut <
> mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the majority of the people
> in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
> Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this blanket
> condemnation:  "imagine
> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological rape."
>
> Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else they are also doing,
> are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has already led to many
> > many books and articles.  I have read quite a few of those books. What I
> > said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish whatever you or
> > mathew c think I should have been. But without a doubt the so-called
> > creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on the Palestinians who
> > lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was as much an act of
> > destruction and theft in my view as an act of creation. In the same way
> the
> > “creation” of the US required a destructive assault on indiginous people.
> > Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of Zionism layed out
> in
> > the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that is clear enough and
> > quite defensible as a proposition.
> >
> >  As far as I can tell most countries are acts of imagination  and
> violence
> > based on tilling and armies, they are a product of the paradigm of war .
> > National borders and rules are usually a lot more arbitrary than natural
> > human self organizing and require leaders imposing taxes  through
> violence.
> > Since the advent of mass production and fossil fuels we have a new
> paradigm
> > that combines the economic predations of investment capitalism with the
> > military power or imperial alliances. This is quickly destroying the
> > biospheric stability of the planet.  Our imaginations could be put to
> > better use. We are not bound to follow our path of self destruction by
> > anything other than unwillingness to face the problems  and imagine
> > solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological rape.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Joseph,
> > >
> > > Without distinctions, your generalities about all countries everywhere
> > and when are always correct.
> > > Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of Israel--or any other
> > country for that matter.
> > > And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all your Historic evils
> but
> > show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal credo--open to all: "the
> > heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of
> > being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we
> > have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be treated.”
> > Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are ideas from Judaism(
> > The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try to honor in my life.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <mailto:
> > brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > > Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and violent. Truthfully
> > though, a name or concept or form of government can be eliminated or
> > replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning the earth. Nations
> and
> > religions have changed and died before with little or even benign
> > consequences. And those nations  that survived and rose to become “great
> > powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify themselves. Imagine
> > all the people living life in peace.
> > > I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made up name) is
> > intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly sincere, but I think
> matthew
> > c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into being. As to what is to
> > be done. It is a question for all of us, not just Israel. Settler
> > colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of the world. Western
> > civilization as configured has desertified vast parts of the globe, moved
> > sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is rapidly destroying the
> > diverse species upon which life as we know it exists, rapidly moving us
> > toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i really am ready to
> hand
> > over my land and the very concept of property to the tribal peoples of
> > north america. Would they want this mess, our mini-flags, banks and
> > fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be more serious about my
> > acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple trees, and stone walls.
> > My whole life is about the effort to move myself and others toward an
> > ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest impediment to change is
> the
> > settler colonialist warfare that continues from the ancient to the modern
> > world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism  to imperial warfare.
> What
> > Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and Canada and so many
> > rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in this shared planet  is
> > varying forms of  sociopathic madness organized by  self destructive
> > dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have ravaged our common
> sense
> > as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our ability to choose life
> above
> > what they have too offer. And what do they have to offer as their
> > civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch the world burn,
> endless
> > entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt,  fat people eating big
> juicy
> > hamburgers and an all too violent and real global annihilation, James
> Bond
> > may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a license to kill.
> > >
> > >  Zionism is the same disease as the master race, manifest destiny,
> > salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its origins can be read by
> > anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to kill the sinful
> > Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen people.”Blessed is he
> who
> > dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable has become the script
> > for modern day Israel, just as some version of this script has written so
> > much human history. It will script global suicide if we let it. If we
> > cannot prevent it.
> > >
> > > Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism, the heart of this
> holy
> > path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of being wih all the
> > heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we have been given,
> and
> > to treat others as we wish to be treated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mach,
> > > >
> > > > So let me see. You seem to propose the annihilation of Israel, a
> > country
> > > > created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and more by carving
> > out a
> > > > space for that community that had formed a nation but lacked a state.
> > > >
> > > > Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do you propose for
> the
> > > > people? Do you have some... solution for them as well? Would it be
> the
> > same
> > > > for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it entail?
> > > >
> > > > Next: If you (and others that share your view) are the descendent of
> > > > Europeans living in the Americas (or some other previously
> > > > colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to 'undo' your county
> > and
> > > > hand over your land to the indigenous communities. Or are you writing
> > from
> > > > somewhere else, in which case we might talk about that place.
> > > >
> > > > Criticizing the trespasses of any country or government is one thing,
> > but
> > > > calling for its abolition is something else. The actions of the
> Israeli
> > > > government have often been reprehensible or even criminal, but that
> > does
> > > > not justify your language, which would certainly find applause and
> > echoes
> > > > in a certain rising current in not only US political discourse but
> more
> > > > widely.
> > > >
> > > > I'm responding not because I think your mind is likely to be changed
> > but
> > > > because I want you and others to know that in this open forum you
> will
> > find
> > > > voices that do not apathetically ignore your statements.
> > > >
> > > > Ne Obliviscaris
> > > > Matthew Cissell
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
> machthomberi at gmail.com
> > <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> No we wouldn't want that would we.  Deprive Israel water and
> medicine.
> > > >>
> > > >> What would be marvelous.  Would be removing Israel from the map.
> Cut
> > it
> > > >> out and dispense it into the ether.
> > > >>
> > > >> Then do likewise of our collective memory of Israel.
> > > >> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> > brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from medicine or clean
> > water
> > > >>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural boycott is potentially a
> > way to
> > > >>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We need equally to
> > confront
> > > >>> what so many in the western press and politics  have done on this
> > issue.
> > > >>> They  have supported  the insane idea that anyone who publicly
> > > >> criticizes
> > > >>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of  anti-semitism.
> > They
> > > >> are
> > > >>> labeled  anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose parents and
> > relatives
> > > >>> survived or died  in Nazi concentration camps.
> > > >>>  Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have her book translated
> > to
> > > >>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who does not distance
> > > >> themselves
> > > >>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> > <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Why no comment?  This is a place for opinion.  As for me, I say
> > > >> Bravo!  I
> > > >>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment right now.  And too
> > many
> > > >>>> people are afraid to say so.  There!  I said it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> David Morris
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney- <
> > https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney->
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