No comment although I have them.

Thu Oct 14 22:32:34 UTC 2021

Well then, thanks and shucks.

PS Joseph, Percival Everett is becoming a new hotter than a pepper sprout
writer because GENIUS-LEVEL they are saying.
I haven't read him but will. The Trees.

Also, not brand new but *The Sell-Out *might please you. Beatty. Funny as
Pynchon can be.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:28 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> *I am just saying.*
>
> *Okay why is this bolded and italicized.  Not my intention.*
>
> *You can claim the kidney all you want.  If you did not write
> something, some flick of the internet, every day, some awesome poignant
> retrospective, some illuminating vibe, then this plist would stop.*
>
> *I am not being sarcastic.  I do not know what this italics bold thing is.*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:13 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nah, I think I'm more the kidney, too occasionally the spleen.
>>
>> Go in peace.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:49 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, come on, you are the god of plist.
>>>
>>> It would not exist without you.
>>>
>>> You are a Titan.
>>>
>>> You make light in a world of darkness.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:14 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Take care.
>>>>
>>>> I do not think I am what you say about the plist. He is buried in
>>>> Milwaukee, with a seat in his name at his favorite movie theater.
>>>>
>>>> I just 1) usually respond.    2) like to send some stuff I find that
>>>> might interest and might lead to discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I am away from it for days and weeks at a time. Monroe never was.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry for your turmoil and loss.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:10 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We all know that you are the heart and soul of plist, Mark.  Without
>>>>> you it would be the nonplist.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I sat down to write this, your email came in.  As I am writing it,
>>>>> there is one from Morrrs.  Which I'll receive after this.
>>>>>
>>>>> The most amazing thing happened.  I left my woman a few days ago..
>>>>> And in doing so, I told her that I can no longer bare her rage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair enough.  I was being the cool guy in leaving..  Then I got this
>>>>> email, from you idiots.  Saying something about Israel.  And it is obvious,
>>>>> that, something, like rage, fell forth.  I was telling her about her rage,
>>>>> when then something, emanated.  Perhaps there is something within me.
>>>>> Maybe we suppress it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The timing of it was exquisite.
>>>>>
>>>>> And everything I say is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it isn't TOTAL. 😇
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me FUCKING SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BIDEN ADMIN CLIMATE PROPOSALS FULFILL THE UN GOALS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will add that the admin has a TOTAL, speaking of totalizing, ALL OF
>>>>>> GOVERNMENT mandate re attacking climate change.
>>>>>> Worked into diplomacy, all other bills (if they can be), executive
>>>>>> orders, as has happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:52 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One might what.  I didn't quite get the jizz of that mindless
>>>>>>> schpieel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why can't we change it from the plist to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TOTAL FUCKING KOHUT LIST.
>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021 12:02 PM, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, the US commitments to effect climate change, have been called
>>>>>>>> by an
>>>>>>>> outside organization, policies that match
>>>>>>>> the recommendations as necessary, that if all countries were to
>>>>>>>> commit to
>>>>>>>> and do would meet the goal
>>>>>>>> of staying under 2 degrees Celsius per the recent MAJOR, scary, UN
>>>>>>>> Report.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is, these policies meet the UN Report's recommendations to
>>>>>>>> achieve the
>>>>>>>> stated goal. One might think the admin
>>>>>>>> talked to the UN as that report was being written---the science
>>>>>>>> compiled
>>>>>>>> over years, as we know--and met the guidelines. One might.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:17 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >  I don't have that clear a take on some imagined world majority
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> > wish I could sincerely agree but at this point I stand with
>>>>>>>> Greta,  what we
>>>>>>>> > hear from so called leaders is blah blah, blah, and what we see
>>>>>>>> is growing
>>>>>>>> > arms sales , continued growth in C02 emissions, threats  and
>>>>>>>> violent
>>>>>>>> > blockades by the US,  mass survellance, publishers being tortured
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> > publishing the same thing as the NY Times,  pipelines and a
>>>>>>>> revived nuclear
>>>>>>>> > arms program.  I could go on but what is the point.
>>>>>>>> >    It’s true that there are many, many people who want change and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> > gladden my heart as they do yours. They are not yet organized as
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> > effective agent of change though most do what they can. In the
>>>>>>>> lead up to
>>>>>>>> > the second Iraq war the world saw the biggest anti-war
>>>>>>>> demonstration in
>>>>>>>> > human history and the biggest global demonstration ever, rivaled
>>>>>>>> only by
>>>>>>>> > climate crisis activism. It did not stop the war and was barely
>>>>>>>> covered in
>>>>>>>> > the US press.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the majority of
>>>>>>>> the people
>>>>>>>> > in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
>>>>>>>> > Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this blanket
>>>>>>>> condemnation:
>>>>>>>> >  "imagine solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and
>>>>>>>> ecological
>>>>>>>> > rape."
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else they are also
>>>>>>>> doing,
>>>>>>>> > are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has already
>>>>>>>> led to many
>>>>>>>> >> many books and articles.  I have read quite a few of those
>>>>>>>> books. What I
>>>>>>>> >> said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish whatever
>>>>>>>> you or
>>>>>>>> >> mathew c think I should have been. But without a doubt the
>>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>>> >> creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on the
>>>>>>>> Palestinians who
>>>>>>>> >> lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was as much an
>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>> >> destruction and theft in my view as an act of creation. In the
>>>>>>>> same way the
>>>>>>>> >> “creation” of the US required a destructive assault on
>>>>>>>> indiginous people.
>>>>>>>> >> Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of Zionism
>>>>>>>> layed out in
>>>>>>>> >> the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that is clear
>>>>>>>> enough and
>>>>>>>> >> quite defensible as a proposition.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>  As far as I can tell most countries are acts of imagination  and
>>>>>>>> >> violence based on tilling and armies, they are a product of the
>>>>>>>> paradigm of
>>>>>>>> >> war . National borders and rules are usually a lot more
>>>>>>>> arbitrary than
>>>>>>>> >> natural human self organizing and require leaders imposing
>>>>>>>> taxes  through
>>>>>>>> >> violence. Since the advent of mass production and fossil fuels
>>>>>>>> we have a
>>>>>>>> >> new paradigm that combines the economic predations of investment
>>>>>>>> capitalism
>>>>>>>> >> with the military power or imperial alliances. This is quickly
>>>>>>>> destroying
>>>>>>>> >> the biospheric stability of the planet.  Our imaginations could
>>>>>>>> be put to
>>>>>>>> >> better use. We are not bound to follow our path of self
>>>>>>>> destruction by
>>>>>>>> >> anything other than unwillingness to face the problems  and
>>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>>> >> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological
>>>>>>>> rape.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Joseph,
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Without distinctions, your generalities about all countries
>>>>>>>> everywhere
>>>>>>>> >> and when are always correct.
>>>>>>>> >> > Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of Israel--or
>>>>>>>> any other
>>>>>>>> >> country for that matter.
>>>>>>>> >> > And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all your Historic
>>>>>>>> evils
>>>>>>>> >> but show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal credo--open
>>>>>>>> to all: "the
>>>>>>>> >> heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love the great
>>>>>>>> mystery of
>>>>>>>> >> being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very kernel of
>>>>>>>> life we
>>>>>>>> >> have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be treated.”
>>>>>>>> >> Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are ideas from
>>>>>>>> Judaism(
>>>>>>>> >> The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try to honor in
>>>>>>>> my life.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Mark
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <
>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and violent.
>>>>>>>> Truthfully
>>>>>>>> >> though, a name or concept or form of government can be
>>>>>>>> eliminated or
>>>>>>>> >> replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning the earth.
>>>>>>>> Nations and
>>>>>>>> >> religions have changed and died before with little or even benign
>>>>>>>> >> consequences. And those nations  that survived and rose to
>>>>>>>> become “great
>>>>>>>> >> powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify themselves.
>>>>>>>> Imagine
>>>>>>>> >> all the people living life in peace.
>>>>>>>> >> > I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made up name) is
>>>>>>>> >> intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly sincere, but I
>>>>>>>> think matthew
>>>>>>>> >> c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into being. As to
>>>>>>>> what is to
>>>>>>>> >> be done. It is a question for all of us, not just Israel. Settler
>>>>>>>> >> colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of the world.
>>>>>>>> Western
>>>>>>>> >> civilization as configured has desertified vast parts of the
>>>>>>>> globe, moved
>>>>>>>> >> sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is rapidly
>>>>>>>> destroying the
>>>>>>>> >> diverse species upon which life as we know it exists, rapidly
>>>>>>>> moving us
>>>>>>>> >> toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i really am
>>>>>>>> ready to hand
>>>>>>>> >> over my land and the very concept of property to the tribal
>>>>>>>> peoples of
>>>>>>>> >> north america. Would they want this mess, our mini-flags, banks
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >> fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be more serious
>>>>>>>> about my
>>>>>>>> >> acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple trees, and
>>>>>>>> stone walls.
>>>>>>>> >> My whole life is about the effort to move myself and others
>>>>>>>> toward an
>>>>>>>> >> ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest impediment to
>>>>>>>> change is the
>>>>>>>> >> settler colonialist warfare that continues from the ancient to
>>>>>>>> the modern
>>>>>>>> >> world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism  to imperial
>>>>>>>> warfare. What
>>>>>>>> >> Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and Canada and
>>>>>>>> so many
>>>>>>>> >> rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in this shared
>>>>>>>> planet  is
>>>>>>>> >> varying forms of  sociopathic madness organized by  self
>>>>>>>> destructive
>>>>>>>> >> dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have ravaged our
>>>>>>>> common sense
>>>>>>>> >> as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our ability to choose
>>>>>>>> life above
>>>>>>>> >> what they have too offer. And what do they have to offer as their
>>>>>>>> >> civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch the world
>>>>>>>> burn, endless
>>>>>>>> >> entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt,  fat people eating
>>>>>>>> big juicy
>>>>>>>> >> hamburgers and an all too violent and real global annihilation,
>>>>>>>> James Bond
>>>>>>>> >> may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a license to
>>>>>>>> kill.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >  Zionism is the same disease as the master race, manifest
>>>>>>>> destiny,
>>>>>>>> >> salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its origins can be
>>>>>>>> read by
>>>>>>>> >> anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to kill the
>>>>>>>> sinful
>>>>>>>> >> Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen
>>>>>>>> people.”Blessed is he who
>>>>>>>> >> dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable has become
>>>>>>>> the script
>>>>>>>> >> for modern day Israel, just as some version of this script has
>>>>>>>> written so
>>>>>>>> >> much human history. It will script global suicide if we let it.
>>>>>>>> If we
>>>>>>>> >> cannot prevent it.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism, the heart of
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> >> holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of being
>>>>>>>> wih all the
>>>>>>>> >> heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we have been
>>>>>>>> given, and
>>>>>>>> >> to treat others as we wish to be treated.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <
>>>>>>>> mccissell at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Mach,
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > So let me see. You seem to propose the annihilation of
>>>>>>>> Israel, a
>>>>>>>> >> country
>>>>>>>> >> > > created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and more by
>>>>>>>> carving
>>>>>>>> >> out a
>>>>>>>> >> > > space for that community that had formed a nation but lacked
>>>>>>>> a state.
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do you
>>>>>>>> propose for
>>>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>>> >> > > people? Do you have some... solution for them as well? Would
>>>>>>>> it be
>>>>>>>> >> the same
>>>>>>>> >> > > for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it entail?
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Next: If you (and others that share your view) are the
>>>>>>>> descendent of
>>>>>>>> >> > > Europeans living in the Americas (or some other previously
>>>>>>>> >> > > colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to 'undo'
>>>>>>>> your county
>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>> >> > > hand over your land to the indigenous communities. Or are
>>>>>>>> you writing
>>>>>>>> >> from
>>>>>>>> >> > > somewhere else, in which case we might talk about that place.
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Criticizing the trespasses of any country or government is
>>>>>>>> one thing,
>>>>>>>> >> but
>>>>>>>> >> > > calling for its abolition is something else. The actions of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >> Israeli
>>>>>>>> >> > > government have often been reprehensible or even criminal,
>>>>>>>> but that
>>>>>>>> >> does
>>>>>>>> >> > > not justify your language, which would certainly find
>>>>>>>> applause and
>>>>>>>> >> echoes
>>>>>>>> >> > > in a certain rising current in not only US political
>>>>>>>> discourse but
>>>>>>>> >> more
>>>>>>>> >> > > widely.
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > I'm responding not because I think your mind is likely to be
>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>> >> but
>>>>>>>> >> > > because I want you and others to know that in this open
>>>>>>>> forum you
>>>>>>>> >> will find
>>>>>>>> >> > > voices that do not apathetically ignore your statements.
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Ne Obliviscaris
>>>>>>>> >> > > Matthew Cissell
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> No we wouldn't want that would we.  Deprive Israel water and
>>>>>>>> >> medicine.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> What would be marvelous.  Would be removing Israel from the
>>>>>>>> map.
>>>>>>>> >> Cut it
>>>>>>>> >> > >> out and dispense it into the ether.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> Then do likewise of our collective memory of Israel.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <brook7 at sover.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>>> >> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from medicine
>>>>>>>> or clean
>>>>>>>> >> water
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural boycott is
>>>>>>>> potentially a
>>>>>>>> >> way to
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We need
>>>>>>>> equally to
>>>>>>>> >> confront
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> what so many in the western press and politics  have done
>>>>>>>> on this
>>>>>>>> >> issue.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> They  have supported  the insane idea that anyone who
>>>>>>>> publicly
>>>>>>>> >> > >> criticizes
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of
>>>>>>>> anti-semitism.
>>>>>>>> >> They
>>>>>>>> >> > >> are
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> labeled  anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose parents
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >> relatives
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> survived or died  in Nazi concentration camps.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>  Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have her book
>>>>>>>> translated
>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who does not
>>>>>>>> distance
>>>>>>>> >> > >> themselves
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <
>>>>>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Why no comment?  This is a place for opinion.  As for me,
>>>>>>>> I say
>>>>>>>> >> > >> Bravo!  I
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment right
>>>>>>>> now.  And too
>>>>>>>> >> many
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> people are afraid to say so.   There!  I said it.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <
>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney- <
>>>>>>>> >> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney->
>>>>>>>> >> > >>> allow-her-latest-novel-to-be-translated-into-hebrew/
>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> --
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>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
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>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
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