No comment although I have them.

[Mark Kohut]

You, of course, do not really deal with the "overgeneralizing" I accused
you of. From your off-the-top remarks. And for a lot more
than the irrefutable climate disaster facts, but not the facts of tackling
it and change for the good. Growth of emissions has been steadily trending
lower
from many countries including the US. And, blame? Name me a country not
part of this historic problem?
The Maldives, maybe, dunno.So, despair of mankind for forever, your choice.
AS I keep saying, you will ALWAYS be right when you point to badness
whereever it is.
What else is new?

yes, esp re extreme weather as the new report accents. You can point to it
from now to beyond my death and it will be true.

this terrif list of truths is particular in most ways, so congrats. You
have ignored all the others I brought up. Now we can begin, yes?

A: greatest arms use and growth in recent decades is of the machete. And it
ain't the US.  And, reread, I never said arms sales were declining and what
does one say to a guy
like you about arms sales over the whole globe? yes, of course, this is the
awful reality we live in and it won't go away in our lifetime. What does
this mean for
the present? But what are judged wars by the UN are down since WW2;
.....Pres Trump aggressively ramped up arms sales by the US in his four
years but this year
the trend will end up down, most likely (although Biden did not break most
previously set-up deals). But some to Saudi Arabia are 'under review',
hopefully a delay to stop and
end; in Yemen, the US has acted against arms sales from our allies. The US
has withdrawn its soldiers from the Middle East and Dem insiders say that
next year there
will be military budget cuts proposed. Biden will be trying to lower
military spending as Obama did for two of his years as President. Not good
enough I know, but better than
the opposite as Clinton would have been better than Trump as President
despite all the lefties who hated her.

The 60% fake stat is long known to be wrong (although as the writer says,
the news is not good. The way I feel when I too cry over climate but want
to touch the full reality about it.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/have-we-really-killed-60-percent-animals-1970/574549/

Look at IRENA org and research [renewable energy] too. Here's more from the
IEA: "Solar photovoltaics (PV) is driving the growth of renewable power
capacity around the world. At the same time, it is raising the prospect of
a significant shift in the role of electricity consumers. This is the
result of distributed solar PV: the use of solar power systems by
households, businesses and industry to generate their own electricity.
Distributed solar PV capacity is set to more than double in the next five
years, accounting for almost half of all solar PV growth, according to a
new in-depth focus in Renewables 2019, the annual IEA market analysis and
forecast on renewable energy."

You cannot of course, since they are also truths, say I am wrong about the
Biden admin bills....and actions....the country that is 'ours' the most
after all...

And there is more. There is always more...





On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:09 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> You accuse me of overgeneralizing, but you are countering with far less
> substantial generalities based on anecdotal tidbits and pokey puppies. Of
> course when traffic accross the globe is massively interrupted by a
> pandemic killing millions there are slightly fewer emissions.  Hardly
> evidence of a deliberate change in direction.More like evidence of dangers
> long predicted about our disruption of ecosystems.
>
>  I’m not sure you really want  me to supply facts to support my  general
> ideas. Still here are a few facts:
>
> BBC :  227 environmental activists were killed around the world in 2020,
> the highest number recorded for a second consecutive year, the report from
> Global Witness said
>
> OCT 14 2021The Guardian:The worldwide energy crisis
> <https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/12/global-energy-crisis-how-key-countries-are-responding>
> has reignited demand for oil, posing a threat to the world’s climate
> ambitions and the global economic recovery from Covid-19, according to the
> International Energy Agency.(demand for coal also rose)
>
> Guardian today :  In a footnote to the 6th mass extinction, one fifth of
> European bird species are slipping toward extincton.
>
> IEA  Despite the decline in 2020, global energy-related CO2 emissions
> remained at 31.5 Gt, which contributed to CO2 reaching its highest ever
> average annual concentration in the atmosphere of 412.5 parts per million
> in 2020
> <https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2742/Despite-pandemic-shutdowns-carbon-dioxide-and-methane-surged-in-2020>
> – around 50% higher than when the industrial revolution began.
>
> Guess what Mark. C02 dissipates very slowly and so over a decade is
> effectively cumulative.
>
> CNN: Intense blazes, including fires in hotspots in the Mediterranean,
> North America and Siberia, let off more than 2.7 billion metric tons of
> carbon over the summer, with July and August both breaking monthly records
> for emissions from fires. More than half of July's emissions could be put
> down to fires in North America and Siberia. They are still burning in
> November and have twice set off our smoke alarms in Vermont this
> year. (There are still fires in the Amazon too.)
>
> The oceans continue to deoxgenate and grow more acidic and to absorb the
> bulk of heat.marine ecologists have described ocean warming,
> acidification and oxygen loss as a “deadly trio,” because when they have
> occurred together in the past, mass extinctions of animal and plant life
> have followed.[5]As Rachel Carson wrote years ago, “for the globe as a
> whole, the ocean is the great regulator, the great stabilizer of
> temperatures…. Without the ocean, our world would be visited by unthinkably
> harsh extremes of temperature.”[7]    The present rate of ocean
> acidification is a hundred times faster than any natural change in at least
> 55 million years. If it continues, ocean acidity will reach three times the
> pre-industrial level by the end of this century.
>
> Methane has begun to emerge from seawater and the permafrost on a large
> scale. This has been predicted as a potential tipping point.
>
> Humanity has wiped out 60% of mammals, birds, fish and reptiles since
> 1970, leading the world’s foremost experts to warn that the annihilation of
> wildlife is now an emergency that threatens civilisation.
>
> National Geo: A new study suggests that 40 percent of *insect* species
> are in decline, a sobering finding that has jarred researchers worldwide.
>
> Plastic shit is killing living things and continues to grow  in volume
> every year.
>
>
>
> The global arms
> <https://cnn.com/2019/06/20/world/uk-arms-sales-saudi-arabia-gbr-intl/index.html> industry
> continues to grow with total sales up 4.6% last year, according to data
> from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)
> <https://cnn.com/2018/12/10/europe/russia-arms-production-scli-intl/index.html>released
> Monday.
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The imagined majority is simple: all the millions of people getting by and
> trying to avoid doing any of the evil you generalize to.
>
> Wars depend on taxes and votes from ordinary people. Peace and
> environmental leaders chosen by these people are few. Fossil fuel use is
> driven by ordinary  embedded  human behaviors that fit into our economic
> model; no malevolence is required. Reliance on fossil fuel is everywhere
> and it is our most universal addiction rivaled by throwing the toxic
> materials we use “away”, wherever the hell that is. There are many good
> people and many want peace and eco sanity. But as Pynchon explores in depth
> in GR, civilization has become a machine and the idea that it has any human
> values or other forms of intelligent control is likely delusional.   The
> good news is that this machine is breaking itself in its war with nature. I
> like humans and hope they survive, evolve, make life simpler, friendlier
> and more appreciative of the other sentient beings.
>
>
>  And, as I wrote, your "truths' are always true as baldly and badly stated
> until one tackles them granularly. Co2 emissions world-wide (!) and by the
> US went noticeably down in 2020,--over 6%--- and although back, are not
> expected to reach 2019 levels and maybe ever again.
>
> "Threats" by the US are down from the last admin. And, once again, all
> nations always have and always will make them as China and N Korea and
> others are. ...I also don't know what many other things you refer to are
> about...
> Pipelines by the US are down although Russia is bragging about theirs; so
> we are back to the unarguable bad shit Iraq War and the false claim,
> repeated again as before, that it was 'barely' covered in the US press, as
> if you would know and you are still wrong about that and is another
> internal contradiction when you go on about how wrong and evil was the NYT
> coverage of it.....  History more ancient than Herodotus now,so to speak.
>
>  It is not only climate activism that has* far surpassed* Iraq War
> protests-
>
> According to Huffpost (2018)  and others  the  largest global protest in
> history was the 2002 Iraq war protest estimated at 6-11 million  Nothing
> else has really come close , but , regardless of the numbers, you only make
> my point because none of these worthwhile demonstrations of public will has
> dramatically changed policy though they do point, along with statistics
> about several issues, to a vast discrepancy between what people want and
> what politicians and the military and corporate interests do. The protests
> also give voice to articulate and thoughtful people who often sound mire
> vibrant and intelligent than leaders of either major party.
>
> ts--I got this fact from Professor Jelanie Cobb; also the Black Lives
> Matter protests were BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, the largest
> protests in *world history *by folks who could not benefit by it,
> literally and narrowly speaking, white and other non-black races protesting
> world-wide for more change and more justice for people treated differntly
> than them because of how they looked. Much larger than abolition in this
> and any country. What does one call selfless protesting and why is it
> stronger than ever?
>
> By, why go on, your engine of constant injustice everywhere is
> railroading thinking, to keep the metaphor, you railroad thoughts and
> observations into your overgeneralizations.
>
> Take your mangled sentences home to your pokey puppy. I’m sure he will
> understand even if no one else can.
>
>
> Speaking of arms, do you know the most killing weapon of the last 50-60
> years?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:17 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>>  I don't have that clear a take on some imagined world majority  and I
>> wish I could sincerely agree but at this point I stand with Greta,  what we
>> hear from so called leaders is blah blah, blah, and what we see is growing
>> arms sales , continued growth in C02 emissions, threats  and violent
>> blockades by the US,  mass survellance, publishers being tortured for
>> publishing the same thing as the NY Times,  pipelines and a revived nuclear
>> arms program.  I could go on but what is the point.
>>    It’s true that there are many, many people who want change and they
>> gladden my heart as they do yours. They are not yet organized as an
>> effective agent of change though most do what they can. In the lead up to
>> the second Iraq war the world saw the biggest anti-war demonstration in
>> human history and the biggest global demonstration ever, rivaled only by
>> climate crisis activism. It did not stop the war and was barely covered in
>> the US press.
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the majority of the
>> people in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
>> Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this blanket condemnation:
>>  "imagine solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological
>> rape."
>>
>> Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else they are also doing,
>> are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has already led to
>>> many many books and articles.  I have read quite a few of those books. What
>>> I said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish whatever you or
>>> mathew c think I should have been. But without a doubt the so-called
>>> creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on the Palestinians who
>>> lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was as much an act of
>>> destruction and theft in my view as an act of creation. In the same way the
>>> “creation” of the US required a destructive assault on indiginous people.
>>> Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of Zionism layed out in
>>> the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that is clear enough and
>>> quite defensible as a proposition.
>>>
>>>  As far as I can tell most countries are acts of imagination  and
>>> violence based on tilling and armies, they are a product of the paradigm of
>>> war . National borders and rules are usually a lot more arbitrary than
>>> natural human self organizing and require leaders imposing taxes  through
>>> violence. Since the advent of mass production and fossil fuels we have a
>>> new paradigm that combines the economic predations of investment capitalism
>>> with the military power or imperial alliances. This is quickly destroying
>>> the biospheric stability of the planet.  Our imaginations could be put to
>>> better use. We are not bound to follow our path of self destruction by
>>> anything other than unwillingness to face the problems  and imagine
>>> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological rape.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Joseph,
>>> >
>>> > Without distinctions, your generalities about all countries everywhere
>>> and when are always correct.
>>> > Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of Israel--or any other
>>> country for that matter.
>>> > And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all your Historic evils
>>> but show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal credo--open to all: "the
>>> heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of
>>> being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we
>>> have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be treated.”
>>> Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are ideas from Judaism(
>>> The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try to honor in my life.
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>> > Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and violent. Truthfully
>>> though, a name or concept or form of government can be eliminated or
>>> replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning the earth. Nations and
>>> religions have changed and died before with little or even benign
>>> consequences. And those nations  that survived and rose to become “great
>>> powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify themselves. Imagine
>>> all the people living life in peace.
>>> > I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made up name) is
>>> intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly sincere, but I think matthew
>>> c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into being. As to what is to
>>> be done. It is a question for all of us, not just Israel. Settler
>>> colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of the world. Western
>>> civilization as configured has desertified vast parts of the globe, moved
>>> sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is rapidly destroying the
>>> diverse species upon which life as we know it exists, rapidly moving us
>>> toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i really am ready to hand
>>> over my land and the very concept of property to the tribal peoples of
>>> north america. Would they want this mess, our mini-flags, banks and
>>> fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be more serious about my
>>> acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple trees, and stone walls.
>>> My whole life is about the effort to move myself and others toward an
>>> ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest impediment to change is the
>>> settler colonialist warfare that continues from the ancient to the modern
>>> world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism  to imperial warfare. What
>>> Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and Canada and so many
>>> rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in this shared planet  is
>>> varying forms of  sociopathic madness organized by  self destructive
>>> dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have ravaged our common sense
>>> as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our ability to choose life above
>>> what they have too offer. And what do they have to offer as their
>>> civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch the world burn, endless
>>> entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt,  fat people eating big juicy
>>> hamburgers and an all too violent and real global annihilation, James Bond
>>> may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a license to kill.
>>> >
>>> >  Zionism is the same disease as the master race, manifest destiny,
>>> salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its origins can be read by
>>> anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to kill the sinful
>>> Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen people.”Blessed is he who
>>> dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable has become the script
>>> for modern day Israel, just as some version of this script has written so
>>> much human history. It will script global suicide if we let it. If we
>>> cannot prevent it.
>>> >
>>> > Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism, the heart of this
>>> holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of being wih all the
>>> heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we have been given, and
>>> to treat others as we wish to be treated.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Mach,
>>> > >
>>> > > So let me see. You seem to propose the annihilation of Israel, a
>>> country
>>> > > created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and more by carving
>>> out a
>>> > > space for that community that had formed a nation but lacked a state.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do you propose for
>>> the
>>> > > people? Do you have some... solution for them as well? Would it be
>>> the same
>>> > > for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it entail?
>>> > >
>>> > > Next: If you (and others that share your view) are the descendent of
>>> > > Europeans living in the Americas (or some other previously
>>> > > colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to 'undo' your county
>>> and
>>> > > hand over your land to the indigenous communities. Or are you
>>> writing from
>>> > > somewhere else, in which case we might talk about that place.
>>> > >
>>> > > Criticizing the trespasses of any country or government is one
>>> thing, but
>>> > > calling for its abolition is something else. The actions of the
>>> Israeli
>>> > > government have often been reprehensible or even criminal, but that
>>> does
>>> > > not justify your language, which would certainly find applause and
>>> echoes
>>> > > in a certain rising current in not only US political discourse but
>>> more
>>> > > widely.
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm responding not because I think your mind is likely to be changed
>>> but
>>> > > because I want you and others to know that in this open forum you
>>> will find
>>> > > voices that do not apathetically ignore your statements.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ne Obliviscaris
>>> > > Matthew Cissell
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>> machthomberi at gmail.com <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> No we wouldn't want that would we.  Deprive Israel water and
>>> medicine.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> What would be marvelous.  Would be removing Israel from the map.
>>> Cut it
>>> > >> out and dispense it into the ether.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Then do likewise of our collective memory of Israel.
>>> > >> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
>>> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from medicine or
>>> clean water
>>> > >>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural boycott is potentially a
>>> way to
>>> > >>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We need equally to
>>> confront
>>> > >>> what so many in the western press and politics  have done on this
>>> issue.
>>> > >>> They  have supported  the insane idea that anyone who publicly
>>> > >> criticizes
>>> > >>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of  anti-semitism.
>>> They
>>> > >> are
>>> > >>> labeled  anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose parents and
>>> relatives
>>> > >>> survived or died  in Nazi concentration camps.
>>> > >>>  Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have her book
>>> translated to
>>> > >>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who does not distance
>>> > >> themselves
>>> > >>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Why no comment?  This is a place for opinion.  As for me, I say
>>> > >> Bravo!  I
>>> > >>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment right now.  And
>>> too many
>>> > >>>> people are afraid to say so.   There!  I said it.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> David Morris
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney- <
>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney->
>>> > >>> allow-her-latest-novel-to-be-translated-into-hebrew/
>>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>> --
>>> > >>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
>>> > >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>> > >>
>>> > > --
>>> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>
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