comment vs no comment spy vs spy the brain wars

Fri Oct 22 13:09:01 UTC 2021

I think Powell knew he was lying, probably trying to be the Good Soldier.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37991036/colin-powell-obituary-george-w-bush-iraq-war/

David Morris

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 6:28 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, as all who have written about lying, from Plato and Kant thru Sissela
> Bok in her v good book know, one must be aware of the Real, the reality
> that exists when one intentionally denies it.
> All of those really running the US when they lied us into the Iraq War KNEW
> they were lying. There is no evidence Powell knew--they kept the truth from
> him and used him because, as you say,
> people trusted him.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:21 AM
> Subject: Re: comment vs no comment spy vs spy the brain wars
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>
>
> Jst two things....the most major which you ignored except for the criticism
> of Norton. Just to have to enlighten you, I'm afraid, an ad hominem attack
> is what you just did to me; I just criticized one of your sources for the
> stupid lack of clarity. Take Care: "  This comes from RT, Russian Times, no
> lover of NATO, of course: "For example, a 33-page meditation <
> https://www.innovationhub-act.org/sites/default/files/docs/WoNS.pdf> on
> the
> “weaponization of neurosciences,” authored by Herve Le Guyader, professor
> of evolutionary biology at Bordeaux’s Institut de Cognitique <
> https://ensc.bordeaux-inp.fr/fr>, avowedly “uses fiction and mixes actual
> facts and events, fairly logical foresights and some fictitious
> extrapolations,” and “a few dramatization tricks, at the cost of being a
> bit provocative to try and keep the reader’s interest,” to weave an
> extensive, sensational fable about the steps NATO could take to launch a
> cognitive war."    Solid fact-based stuff, eh Joseph? Give up your moron
> commentators."
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:37 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Where the hell is the guilt by association?  He simply quotes from Nato
> > materials. and the quotes  are full sentences, not “scare quotes” ( I am
> > actually quoting you here not trying to scare anyone). Scare quotes, a
> > frequently misleading term, generally refer to a short phrase or word in
> > quotes, not to sentences or paragraphs quoted to reveal the ideas
> > expressed.. If you think these many quotes are taken out of context, show
> > how restoring context changes their meaning.
> >
> > Show me an “unattributed quote”. You are grasping for straws there. He is
> > clear where the quotes are from and there are links.
> >
> > I understood without the aid of your lame comments that the writers of
> > this material were talking about what they call adversaries.But it is the
> > Nato sponsored writers who fail to truly clarify what that means, not
> > Norton. He doesn’t even comment very much on how weird this shit is.
> > Unusual for him. But the materials he cites are so creepy that why
> bother.
> > Who after reading this material will be inviting NATO to put a brain
> > control chip in all their devices?
> >
> > As to it being old news, sure. Old news freshly revived from the worst
> > paranoia of the cold war and McCarthyism.
> >
> > What the fuck right  does NATO have to try to shape or limit what I read,
> > think about, who I talk to etc.  There is plenty of that already( Colin
> > Powell lied us into war because he was one of the few in power that
> people
> > trusted, though many of us knew he was lying his ass off) but putting
> the
> > goal of sophisticated warfare to conrol people’s brains in the stark
> > military terms being used is fucking weird, police state, sci-fi nuts.
> And
> > Nato writers' idea that some adversary is responsible for social
> divisions
> > is paranoid nonsense that is comical in its ignorance.
> >
> > As to moron commentators I would like to give up, you are near the top of
> > that list. But you keep at it after promising to stop. Keep your ad
> hominem
> > shit to yourself and I will do the same. If you don’t, I won’t. My
> interest
> > in this  and my posting of it has little to do with who said it but the
> > source materials quoted.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The other article I reject wholesale, however. All those guilt by
> > association quotes you find so telling and I find in their scare quotes
> way
> > to be a failed high school paper level presentation--I still sting at a
> > college-level course I took in high school where, basically, the teacher
> > said "wtf?" about some unanchored, even unattributed quotes. ; that
> > McCarthyism that starts with ignoring that this report begins in being
> > about 'adversaries", which needs understood, deconstructed first to see
> IF
> > there are and what they are doing and what this response might therefore
> > mean if it is true. "In a chilling disclosure, the report said explicitly
> > that “the objective of Cognitive Warfare is to harm societies and not
> only
> > the military."--and is this about--also about?-- what those 'adversaries'
> > are trying to do to NATO countries? ...And is this whole "hacking into
> > one's brain" just another way of speaking about propaganda, controlling
> > what enters our consciousness as we can? Old news, new dog tricks if so.
> On
> > both sides.
> > >
> > > Besides all the Right Wing conspiracy sites repeating this vapid
> > shit--and there are Google pages full of them, of course, including one
> > called Communist News, I found the left-leaning, but knowing how to read
> > and think, London Review of Economics piece a decent place to start with
> > something I had not heard about before. It is below but:
> > >
> > > This comes from RT, Russian Times, no lover of NATO, of course: "For
> > example, a 33-page meditation <
> > https://www.innovationhub-act.org/sites/default/files/docs/WoNS.pdf> on
> > the “weaponization of neurosciences,” authored by Herve Le Guyader,
> > professor of evolutionary biology at Bordeaux’s Institut de Cognitique <
> > https://ensc.bordeaux-inp.fr/fr>, avowedly “uses fiction and mixes
> actual
> > facts and events, fairly logical foresights and some fictitious
> > extrapolations,” and “a few dramatization tricks, at the cost of being a
> > bit provocative to try and keep the reader’s interest,” to weave an
> > extensive, sensational fable about the steps NATO could take to launch a
> > cognitive war."    Solid fact-based stuff, eh Joseph? Give up your moron
> > commentators.
> > >
> > > "like the plague", Joseph? Again, still so wrong, seeing "the
> > mainstream" akin to the way those pre-emptive condemners of Rooney see
> her.
> > "I fully expect to see "the mainstream" miss this because I know the
> > mainstream and it always does and has never changed" even though, of
> > course, using your own words and judgments, you do not seem to be aware
> > that 'fascism' and "authoritarianism" and what's causing the Havana
> > Syndrome mind "attacks" and so much more is almost all "the mainstream"
> IS
> > consumed with these days. If this had reality enough to have legs, it
> would
> > be all over "the mainstream", I suggest.
> > >
> > > Pull quote: "At this stage, the discourse about future warfare within
> > NATO is rather abstract".
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.lse.ac.uk/ideas/Assets/Documents/updates/LSE-IDEAS-NATO-and-the-Future-Character-of-Warfare.pdf
> > <
> >
> https://www.lse.ac.uk/ideas/Assets/Documents/updates/LSE-IDEAS-NATO-and-the-Future-Character-of-Warfare.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 8:20 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <mailto:
> > brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > >
> >
> https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/lies-told-sally-rooney-refuses-ignore-israeli-apartheid/
> > <
> >
> https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/lies-told-sally-rooney-refuses-ignore-israeli-apartheid/
> >
> > <
> >
> https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/lies-told-sally-rooney-refuses-ignore-israeli-apartheid/
> > <
> >
> https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/lies-told-sally-rooney-refuses-ignore-israeli-apartheid/
> > >>
> > > Lies Are Being Told About Sally Rooney Because She Refuses to Ignore
> > Israeli Apartheid
> > > Robert Mackey makes some astute observations concerning the Sally
> Rooney
> > vortex.  The Irish have many historical reasons to recognize and oppose
> > colonial theft, oppression, apartheid.
> > >
> > >  mad magazine would have loved this:
> > https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/08/nato-cognitive-warfare-brain/ <
> > https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/08/nato-cognitive-warfare-brain/> <
> > https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/08/nato-cognitive-warfare-brain/ <
> > https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/08/nato-cognitive-warfare-brain/>>
> > > Western governments in the NATO military alliance are developing
> tactics
> > of “cognitive warfare,” using the supposed threats of China and Russia to
> > justify waging a “battle for your brain” in the “human domain,” to “make
> > everyone a weapon.”
> > >
> > > Some would discount Ben Norton but he does his homework and just the
> > quotes from the NATO  materials is so off-the-wall fascist it deserves a
> > certain awareness since the mainstream avoids this kind of thing like the
> > plague.  This really is some weird shit.
> > >
> > >
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