Dune and psychedelic desert messiahs

[John Bailey]

Given Lynch feels so profoundly burnt by Dune, it doesn't seem likely.
Perhaps the closest would be a film *about* that film a la the Jodorowsky
doco. It'd be neat if there was a whole sub-genre of films about films
about Dune.

On Sun, 24 Oct. 2021, 10:31 am Ian Livingston, <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sounds like Mr Kelman is talking about Lynch’s butchered effort. I wonder
> if the director’s cut will ever be released.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Brett Kelman
> > @BrettKelman
> > ·
> > 1m
> > I saw Dune just as the visionary director intended: in 20 minute chunks,
> spread over a week, with the sound off, while feeding an angry baby.
> >
> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 4:13 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Correct. The protagonist's visionary inclination is well established
> >> considerably before his first contact with the psychoactive qualities of
> >> the "spice". In fact, I don't recall any reference to hallucinatory
> >> effects. That is imposed by trip-seeking viewers.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 1:09 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > It does not rely on tripping.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:51 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Good to hear it’s not a dog.  Early reviews said it was either
> sublime or
> >> > > an overwrought-yet empty mess.  Sounds like it relies on tripping?
> THAT
> >> > > could be a mess (usually is in film).
> >> > >
> >> > >  Thanks
> >> > > DM
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:44 PM Bruno <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Saw it yesterday as well. A shout-out to Villeneuve's fidelity to
> early
> >> > > > sci-fi aesthetics.  Reminds me of John Harris and pre-90s book
> covers.
> >> > > > Villeneuve shows much skill in making authorial, fringe ergotic
> sci-fi.
> >> > > > What not to love when a genre goes artistic?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Space travel: spice. A hallucinogen. To travel light is to get
> rid of
> >> > > brain
> >> > > > patterns.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Le sam. 23 oct. 2021 à 12:50, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> a
> écrit
> >> > :
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Went to see Dune last night, mostly Williams College kids
> attending,
> >> > > > > needed some escapist nonsense. It was well done I thought, good
> >> > acting,
> >> > > > > good music and sound effects if slightly over the top with the
> big
> >> > > drums.
> >> > > > > Visually severe, engaging, ominous in story-appropriateriate
> ways. I
> >> > > > > wondered if the whole heroic desert freedom fighters with
> Islamic
> >> > style
> >> > > > > might shake up the imagination of young watchers shaped by
> >> > anti-Muslim
> >> > > > > cultural atmosphere. Stayed quite close to the book, more
> condensed.
> >> > > Not
> >> > > > > sure visionary psychedelic messiahs leading desert rebels
> against the
> >> > > > > exploitation of a cruel empire has serious relevance, but it
> could
> >> > be a
> >> > > > lot
> >> > > > > worse. It is only half the first book.
> >> > > > >   I thought Herbert made a big mistake killing off the ecologist
> >> > when I
> >> > > > re
> >> > > > > read the book most of a year ago. I still think so, too central
> as a
> >> > > > > redeeming theme.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I have an increasingly hard time with big Iron machines
> traveling
> >> > light
> >> > > > > years through space while people fight with swords.  We are so
> >> > fucking
> >> > > > far
> >> > > > > from real space travel.
> >> > > > >
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