NP: Dune again, white dudes-- and others. Not Others.

[Mark Kohut]

Having neither read it nor seen the movie, is THIS what you are talking
about? sorta, maybe, irrelevantly tangential as it obviously is
and full disclosure I can't understand what you wrote so must read again.

https://twitter.com/DiscoverMag/status/1453315567255949320?s=20

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:31 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> How about the way by which we arrive at the great insight that all these
> metaphors are true metaphors?
>
> Maybe they represent to the cognitive function of the mind subjective
> experiences of the central nervous system that are also subjective
> experiences that occur in the very similar central nervous systems of other
> Homo sapiens, producing similar (not identical) cognitive responses.
> Perhaps those cognitive responses are different subjective interpretations
> given general shape by way of social and cultural milieux.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 27, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> > Great article. Saying similar things myself but I was less articulate,
> less filled out than this.I sense we are in basic agreement that Herbert’s
> intentions as a writer got subverted by 2 things:1) too much attention to
> the machiavellian  maneuverings of the Empire,House Atraides  and the
> godlike messianic powers of Paul A,  with little serious development or
> nuance or internal divisions in the Fremen culture. and 2) too binary a
> conflict (messiahs lead to wars- really what about buddhism) with no 3rd
> option. As I said earlier I think killing the ecologist off was a big
> mistake as he could have represented a 3rd way. War is never ecologically
> friendly, and future heavens are piss poor substitutes for milk and honey
> now.
> >
> > I do not think the original reception of Dune was as nuanced or
> provocative as Herbert intended. I think a lot of the novel’s popularity
> revolved around fantasies of revenge against imperial violence toward
> justice and the earth, and the idea that psychedelics might be a liberating
> force that would free individuals and society to a higher destiny.
> > The dark side of messianic powers was not what I remember people talking
> about, and in fact this was a heyday of Jesus People and other cults.
> >
> > There is an appeal of being at the center of a great mystery hinging on
> your personal destiny that is seductive to the ego and dangerous , just as
> there is an appeal to disappearing safely into the peace of enlightened
> non-attachment that can be more like asleep than awake. Is there at least a
> 3rd way?
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 27, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://slate.com/culture/2021/10/dune-2021-movie-vs-book-white-savior-islam.html
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