(np) good article for today

Joseph Tracy brook7 at sover.net
Wed Sep 15 14:36:49 UTC 2021


I would say you missed not just the satire, which Schwarz engages in frequently and which is the essence of the disputed lines, but you missed or simply don't reckon with the substance of the article which was about the practical nature of what Wesley Clark called the policy coup of neocons at PNAC who wanted unbridled freedom to target those resisting US hegemony and even wrote that such freedom would likely require a traumatizing event. That this imperialist pride and general big dickism  is a major factor in these fascistic wars and  the  deep appeal to the patriotoc psyche  that these wars depended on despite their enormous failures to accomplish the stated goals of the neocons, is a premise Schwarz builds with practical  historic reference to the breadth of the plans.  The final lines about Rumsfeld don’t need to persuade the reader in detail, or provide hacked notes form Rummy’s non-existant therapist,  the point is that these shits were crazy and that Rumsfeld personified their stupidity and personal ambition, we know they  easily seduced the Democrats  and the New York Times and spent trillions to accomplish exactly nothing but the massive loss of lives, civility, and hard earned money. 
   Most of these article about 9-11 and the shameful end of the shameful occuption of Afghanistan are a disgusting attempt to justify the whole fiasco of US militarism by summoning our good intentions. We did it so little girls could go to school, not to ram a bayonet up Gaddafi’s ass or terrorize the world with drones. Sure.











    

> On Sep 12, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Did I miss a satire here?. The Intercept-- of investigative reporting is
> all I know of them---did a sly Swiftian piece on
> Rummy?...where's the clue?.......
> 
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 6:20 PM Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: (np) good article for today
>> To: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> But the reason they wanted to cobble together an excuse to attack Iraq — is
>> that deep seated need for control and empery that the article’s premises
>> (go way over the top to) limn…
>> 
>> Perhaps the author even knows he is hyperbolizing (which Pynchon never
>> does, of course) by the time he gets to Rumsfeld figuring that bombing Iraq
>> will get his daughter to break up with the white guy with dreadlocks?
>> 
>> Yeah, Rumsfeld, great dude who had no trouble ramrodding approval for
>> NutraSweet thru FDA over vigorous objections of scientists, and then
>> accepting $12 million from Monsanto after they bought Searle. And I’m sure
>> he was a lot of help at the Pentagon…
>> 
>> Not to speak ill of the dead. Requiescat in pace, Rummie, you go to the
>> Bardo Thodol with the karma you’ve got, not the karma you might want.
>> And nobody’s perfect. God bless and heaven help us all.
>> 
>> But I think the Interceptor was right: the war on terror was itself mondo
>> scary, and reflects the personalities of its architects.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 4:53 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What the Interceptor guy wrote is ridiculous; the way so many feelingful,
>>> idealistic progressives go into fantasyland, into
>>> being mirrors of Right Wing crazies. Conspiracy explanations beyond
>>> reality all the time.
>>> 
>>> Knowing a little history--looking it up-- and refusing to be so stupid
>>> will lead one to understand that what Rumsfeld was talking about
>>> was bad enough just as it was: wanting to gather all the info he could to
>>> justify--lead to---the conclusion that the US had to attack Iraq
>>> now and take out Saddam Hussein.
>>> 
>>> Rumsfeld had not the power to even be Ahab, if one wants to work that
>>> metaphor; he was Stubb if anyone. Bush would be Ahab if he hadn't
>>> let Cheney be him.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 4:04 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Rumsfeld as Ahab?
>>>>> The “it,” then, that Rumsfeld wanted to destroy on 9/11 was almost
>>>>> certainly every frustration he felt at the rest of humanity.
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