GR translation: deny him/deny his gift

[David Morris]

>
> Spiritualism is a social religious movement according to which the laws of
nature and of God include "the continuity of personality after the
transition of death" and "the possibility of communication between those
living on Earth and those who have made the transition".

Me:  In order to understand this GR passage you need to identify the
players of this séance, their roles.

Some spiritualists will speak of a concept which they refer to as "*spirit
guides* <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide>"—specific spirits,
often contacted, who are relied upon for spiritual
<https://marcusdanieljoe.com/how-can-we-become-spiritually-aware/> guidance.

formal communication sessions (séances) are held by *mediums*, who claim
thereby to receive information about the afterlife.[2]
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism#cite_note-Carroll-2>

an ordained minister or gifted *contact **medium*
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship> will relate messages from
spirit personalities to those here in the physical form.

*Mediumship* involves an act where the practitioner attempts to receive
messages from spirits of the dead and from other spirits that the
practitioner believes exist. Some self-ordained mediums are fully conscious
and awake while functioning as contacts; others may slip into a *partial or
full trance* or into an altered state of consciousness. These self-called "
*trance-mediums*" often state that, when they emerge from the trance state,
they have no recollection of the messages they conveyed; it is customary
for such practitioners to work with an assistant who writes down or
otherwise records their words.

*medium*, in occultism <https://www.britannica.com/topic/occultism>, a
person reputedly able to make contact with the world of spirits, especially
while in a state of trance <https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/trance>.
A spiritualist medium is the central figure during a séance
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/seance> (*q.v.*) and sometimes requires
the assistance of an invisible go-between, or control. During a séance,
disembodied voices are said to speak, either directly or through the medium.


On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 6:31 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That’s a question involving the relationships of a medium and the
>> sensitive (or whatever the roles are called). The trance-person is an
>> unconscious vehicle for communication.  Lots of venerability there.  I
>> can’t decipher the specifics of what seems a betrayal in this relationship
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 6:07 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What about "on the short end of 5-to-2 deny his gift" then? I know
>>> "5-to-2" refers to the odds Lamplighter offered earlier. In what way did
>>> Nora "deny his gift"? Did she actually bet against it? It seems unlikely
>>> since she was the one who first witnessed it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 5:38 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deny consummation
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:37 AM Mike Jing <
>>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> V149.36-39, P152.17-21   For . . . if she does love him: if all her
>>>>> words,
>>>>> this decade of rooms and conversations meant anything . . . if she
>>>>> loves
>>>>> him and still will deny him, on the short end of 5-to-2 deny his gift,
>>>>> deny
>>>>> what’s distributed in his every cell . . . then . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> In what sense is the word "deny" used here? Do the two instances of the
>>>>> word have the same meaning?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>