Fwd: NP: On the Ukraine thread

[Joseph Tracy]

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> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Subject: Re: NP: On the Ukraine thread
> Date: February 14, 2022 at 11:57:18 AM EST
> To: Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com>
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> Russia and the US are certainly the Key players concerning and together with Ukraine itself, and you had said Russia only puts out propaganda so I responded with  a brief look at recent history of US propagandistic lies. 
> I did add this that is directly related to Ukraine concerning your insistence on the brokenness of the Minsk agreements:
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>  In fact the deal is not that broken, the lines are the same, there is little to no fighting being reported and the remaining  issue is Nato.
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> ( The precise wording  is foreign troops or mercenaries ( line 10), which would clearly include Nato.) 
> and this:
> The only one who cares about Ukrainians is Ukrainians.  If there is stagnation, debt and corruption after the revolution they can no longer blame Russia. 
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>  I said this because politicians rally voters around who to blame, not because Ukraine is uniquely problematic. But this tactic can only continue through the premise that Russia has or wants dominance. And that looks hard to sustain. I don’t think they want your country. What would it add to them but endless headaches?
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>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com <mailto:mdietze at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> On 14. February 2022 at 14:55:08, Joseph Tracy (brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>) wrote:
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>>> Your whole argument below boils down to I (JT)don’t have a reasonable and informed opinion because I don’t agree with your more informed and reasonable opinion. 
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>> You have not really come up with anything directly related to Ukraine, but with your general thoughts about the USA, Russia etc. 
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>>> Well I have been correct in most cases where I have had your exact argument leveled against me, so I don’t find it particularly persuasive. 
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>> I don’t expect to persuade you. You firmly believe in what you believe. Sadly there is usually very little to discuss in such situations. When I find something that is obviously incorrect, then I will contradict. Not more.
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