NP just Ukrainians.

[Mark Kohut]

 Not the way I remember it....it was open to grassroots public response and
disputation.

That the Bush administration lied and deceived about "the weapons of mass
destruction" was proclaimed, speculated on by *many* overtly, even in
the mainstream media. Certainly in the correct right off-Broadway media, so
to speak.  (Not the NYT, as Joseph and you will tell you me and as I know
since I read the NYT religiously. I did not read other major US newspapers
regularly then, but some mags)
 Proof was demanded---but not produced. The lie hardly had time to be a
"conspiracy theory" given the normal meaning of
that phrase, which you are using virtually as a metaphor or as another word
for outright lie. Revealing that lie started immediately since
the possibility was believed by many.

You continue to fix facts around your theory....as Martin points out
steadily....

TE: "Remember, it used to be a
"conspiracy theory" that the UK and the US governments conspired to
deceive the public in preparation for the war on Iraq. Now we know that
"the facts were being fixed around the policy." "

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 1:20 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:

> Sure. As for "conspiracy theories", why don't you just tell me what
> exactly Katchanovski has gotten factually wrong? Just pick a few claims
> and debunk them. Can you do that?
>
> Just claiming something is a "conspiracy theory" (i.e. conspiratorial
> fantasy, i.e. BS) doesn't make it so. Remember, it used to be a
> "conspiracy theory" that the UK and the US governments conspired to
> deceive the public in preparation for the war on Iraq. Now we know that
> "the facts were being fixed around the policy."
>
>
> Am 18.02.2022 um 18:30 schrieb Martin Dietze:
> > On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 at 18:04, Hübschräuber <
> huebschraeuber at protonmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Nice to see that the P-list now has its very own Ukraine/Russia
> narrative
> >> manager. A guy from Germany, of all places, who argues that soldiers
> >> fighting under the swastika are not all Nazis, perhaps not even the
> >> majority of them, and that everybody who critizises Western support for
> >> people fighting under the swastika solidarises with Russian Nazis.
> >
> >
> > Little correction: somebody who has known country, culture, language and
> > politics of that country for a good 25 years, somebody who can tell those
> > tiny little differences between ideological, oversimplified views and the
> > actual truth, and somebody who has spent an awful lot of time arguing
> with
> > people believing in conspiracy theories, believing that Russia's war in
> > Donbas is actually not Russia's and that the neo nazis are mostly on
> > Ukrainian side.
>
>
> --
> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>