NP The untouchable minds of the pynchon-list

[Ian Livingston]

Putin isn't fighting back against any encroachment. Putin is fighting for a
land route to a
Russian port on the Black Sea.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:48 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> You are a disgusting piece of shit.
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 1:43 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > DISSIDENT VOICE FROM A LIFELONG PEACE ADVOCATE
> >       We thought we could play our big geopolitical game and put more
> Nato
> > bases closer to Russia but few Americans stood up against that
> aggression.
> > The threat of violence is violence and the US regulalry uses war against
> > those who neither threaten nor attack us. Several Ukrainian groups in the
> > army and leading the Ukrainian coup are nazis and fly nazi flags.
> >        Do you know how many Russians were killed in WW2 by nazis, how
> many
> > Jews were killed in Ukraine by Ukrainian nazis, what percent of the
> German
> > soldiers in WW2 were killed by Russians?  Look it up. Maybe this will
> give
> > you a sense of their concerns. They seized the vital naval outpost and
> > Russian speaking area of Crimea, and defended the Donbass.
> >       Russia asked for Ukraine to return to the MInsk accords and
> > establish a firm comittment to military neutrality. Ukraine refused.
> Macron
> > tried to negotiate a return to Minsk, was cold shouldered by the US and
> > Zelensky agreed in private then refused agreement in public. A few days
> ago
> > Macron tried again with an attempt at US involvement but the US refused.
> > Instead we pour in weapons to Ukraine as though it is some kind of
> generous
> > gift to make them a sacrificial lamb to our geo-political ambitions.
> >       Russia was faced with complete refusal to acknowledge its
> legitimate
> > security needs. Putin had made it as clear as any red line ever drawn
> that
> > it was not going to allow the possibility of nuclear weapons 90 miles
> from
> > Moscow. The US is not the only power that can draw lines or the only
> power
> > that can use military force to protect interests both real and imaginary.
> >         It is a multipolar world and there are as yet only a few nations
> > united in neutrality and peace.  For America to feel morally superior to
> > Russia is a sham, Our military aggressions are far greater since WW2. If
> > free US citizens  refuse to work to end nuclear proliferation and refuse
> to
> > stop voting for 2 war parties and refuse to spend most tax money on
> > military and contine to torture those who expose our crimes,  then our
> > moral squealings against the harsh authoritarian systems of Russia and
> > China will be hypocritical noise to no effect. Why isn't there all this
> > anti-war news when America starts a new war or continues to aid the wars
> in
> > Yemen, Africa, etc.  Why no outrage over our many blockades of elected
> > governments  or the US control of the oil region of Syria, or our support
> > for military regimes that silence dissent in Turkey, Egypt, Israel, etc.?
> > Our  war insanity knows few bounds:Last week a former CIA spook and
> member
> > of Atlantic Council Matthew Kroenig said this in Forign Affairs.
> "Finally,
> > if necessary, Washington could always take a page from its Cold War
> > playbook and rely more heavily on nuclear weapons to offset the local,
> > conventional advantages of its rivals ".
> >
> > Our shared planet should not depend on either young Matty’s oso clever
> > idea of “winning” a  nuclear war with Russia or the continued
> effectiveness
> > of Mutual Assured Destruction.
> >
> >      War is evil and is not ended by great empires with huge armies.
> It
> > is a way of thinking that affects everything, turns all of creation into
> > resources for our money wars, poisons water and turns forests into
> deserts.
> > When do we end war? Soon or never. How do we end war? One way is to stop
> > funding it.  Search your heart and I promise I will do the same.
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2022, at 2:21 PM, fa ma <maijstralfausto at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > For the belittled untouchable minds of the pynchon-list, the dawn of
> the
> > > big day was glorious.
> > > In fact, it was more than they ever could've hoped for.
> > >
> > > The greatest Peace Corps of the 21st century had finally done what they
> > had
> > > to do in the service of world history.
> > >
> > > And yet - the virtuous, modest Captain of Peace only started it when it
> > was
> > > absolutely necessary.
> > > The last straw was the request of help from the unselfish activists of
> a
> > > territory that had been liberated from fascism eight years earlier.
> > > It was practically identical to the request of help from those true
> > > Internationalists that had invited the Captain's predecessors to
> liberate
> > > Czechoslovakia from fascism in 1968.
> > >
> > > These untouchable minds of the pynchon-list had barely managed to
> > memorize
> > > the Captain's Great Monday Speech when it all started.
> > > From now on, they would shed their tears of joy freely. From now on,
> they
> > > would not hold back.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fama
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