Umberto Eco - Ur Fascism

[Thomas Eckhardt]

I know that Russia is evil, evil, evil, and that Putin is the latest
reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

Still, it appears to me that not only the Russians might have a reason
(in their case, 24 to 40 million reasons, according to Wikipedia) to
oppose the glorification of Nazism and the Waffen-SS.

You don't agree? You think the glorification of Nazism and the Waffen-SS
is quite alright and must not be sanctioned in any form because, if the
Russians are against the Waffen-SS, it must have been a force for good
in the world?

Ok. I am awfully sorry to have once again argued against the apparent
consensus on the Pynchon-list about Nazism. After all, we know that
Thomas Pynchon was a huge fan of the SS. He even modelled one of his
protagonists after Hans Kammler.

Carry on.




Am 03.01.2022 um 13:43 schrieb Mark Kohut:
> This all bores me too.....the constant refusal by so many to SEE what
> Putin's Russia is now is exhausting:
> The whole international community knows what the country IS, it is no
> longer even close to just a failed socialist/communist country.
>
> It seems the US has just arrested a 2016 Russian hashslingerz
> mastermind. Where's Jill Stein when we need her?
>
> " Today, however, the United States must express opposition to this
> resolution, a document most notable for its thinly veiled attempts to
> legitimize longstanding Russian disinformation narratives denigrating
> neighboring nations under the cynical guise of halting Nazi
> glorification. The United States Supreme Court has consistently affirmed
> the constitutional right to freedom of speech and the rights of peaceful
> assembly and association, including by avowed Nazis, whose hatred and
> xenophobia are widely scorned by the American people. At the same time,
> we steadfastly defend the constitutional rights of those who exercise
> their rights to combat intolerance and express strong opposition to the
> odious Nazi creed and others espousing similar hatreds.
>
> Despite consistently expressing our concerns with the Russian delegation
> and proposing revisions to protect against unacceptable restrictions on
> freedom of expression, our recommendations, intended to improve and
> strengthen this resolution, have been ignored. We discourage States from
> invoking Article 4 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of
> Racial Discrimination and Article 20 of the International Covenant on
> Civil and Political Rights in an attempt to either silence unwelcome
> opinions or to excuse their failure to combat intolerance.
>
> For these reasons, the United States has voted against each new version
> of this resolution since 2005 and is, again, compelled to vote “No” on
> this resolution, and calls on other States to do the same."
>
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> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 7:13 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     BTW, Just because I (or any other P-lister) think your (or Joe’s) latest
>     conspiracy theory or heavy-breathing political posturing is full of crap
>     doesn’t make me a bully or a nazi-supporter (or even just a little right
>     wing).  *But I do find it interesting that you’re back to calling the
>     Ukraine a bunch of Nazis again, just as Putin is poised to invade
>     Ukraine
>     again.*  Some things never change.
>
>     Hmmmnn...
>     David Morris
>
>     On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 6:40 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>     <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>      > Whatever...
>      > Israel calls LOTS of US people (who support disinvestment) anti
>     Semitic
>      > these days.  And Who TF cares?
>      >
>      > We still have Trump to worry about.   It was about a year ago
>     Trump tried
>      > to overthrow a US presidential election.  And not long before
>     that he had
>      > torch-bearing murderous neonazi marchers in Virginia. Israel
>     LOVED Trump!
>      >
>      > So Who gives a fuck about Ukraine Banderistas a year ago?
>      >
>      > David Morris
>      >
>      > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 4:19 AM Hübschräuber via Pynchon-l <
>      > pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
>      >
>      >> I have no sympathy for the Kaczyński twins but still find Ukrainian
>      >> Neo-Nazis far more interesting. After a march of Banderites on
>     New Year's
>      >> Day, torchlights and all, the Israelian embassy twittered
>     (translated by
>      >> DeepL):
>      >>
>      >> "Israel condemns the nationalist march in honor of Bandera. The
>      >
>      >
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