Umberto Eco - Ur Fascism

[Martin Dietze]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 23:17, Hübschräuber via Pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
wrote:

> No. You are just echoing the thoughts of people in the State Department
> who in the 40s decided that they could use the likes of Wernher von Braun
> or Hubertus Strughold against the Soviet Union and who in 2013 decided that
> they could use the likes of Andriy Parubiy and Andriy Biletsky against
> Russia. These people in the State Department are not Neo-Nazis, they use
> Neo-Nazis - just like they use ISIS or Al-Qaeda - for geopolitical aka
> imperialist purposes.
>
> But I'll give you that: You are a good Pavlov's dog. Salivating when you
> are supposed to.


This reads like Ukrainian people and government are controlled by nazis -
with the west's support - or am I misinterpreting you?
Ever cared to look at the last two elections' results in Ukraine - and in
Germany?

As I have explained in more detail (what you chose to ignore) there is no
reason to believe that nazis play any significant role in Ukrainian society
or politics. However your "use Neo-Nazis" implies just that, and it is
based nothing but your claim so far.

You have based your argument (if any) on a few hundred nationalists on a
(legal) march in Kyiv and a UN resolution the US and Germany did not
support, plus now a little name dropping (Parubiy and Biletsky). Your point
regarding WW2 casualties was doubly wrong (wrong figures, wrong to
associate them with Russia rather than all the involved soviet republics).
Last not least you were the one feeling it necessary to trigger this
discussion by making a completely off-topic remark how much more
"interesting" you found Ukrainian neo nazis compared to Polish.

Frankly this looks like a "idée fixe" to me. Hence, when it comes to
salivating....