more Ukraine research and thoughts.

[Johnny Marr]

One thing I have to disagree with Martin over: the cultural divide between
residents of Ukraine who would consider themselves Russian and those who
would consider themselves is a very real thing.

The difference between the two groups may not be visible but neither
were/are the differences visible between Northern Irish Catholics and
Protestants, the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, Bosnian Muslims and Serbs etc
etc

The sense of Russian separateness is an issue throughout Eastern Europe,
and one which NATO, Putin, the EU etc are very conscious of. Look at the
make up of Latvia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Latvia

The tensions between the sizeable Russian minority and the rest of the
population are consistently born out in election results, political debates
and the language issue - there was a referendum over recognising Russian as
an official language which split down tribal lines.

Prior to events in Ukraine, Latvia was frequently recognised as one of the
likeliest locations of a future war in Europe, and will undoubtedly be the
next region Putin targets if he has any success in Ukraine, for the exact
same reason - he has a sizeable percentage of the population who he thinks
will turn in Russia’s favour

There’s even a similar starting point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43626368

On Thursday, January 27, 2022, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah Yes....the new refuge of conspiracy thinking: false equivalence, false
> to the situation, of course. Take that, the CIA has done bad things....and
> now Western as an entity?......does that include European nations such as
> Germany?.....who would escape whipping? as the line from Hamlet goes..
>
> As my terrif international law Prof is always saying, every nation breaks
> international law, the question is who is breaking it NOW and how and what
> is being done about it....
>
> I want to publicly thank Mr. Dietze for teaching me so much on a subject I
> do not have time to explore. And, once again, I will publicly state I lose
> respect for all I read who see through their own tinted goggles, these days
> with whole reality simulation (but imaginary realities) headsets on......no
> wonder Donald Trump was preferable to Hillary Clinton to some......they
> simply could not see.........
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
> huebschraeuber at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Am 27.01.2022 um 00:13 schrieb Mark Kohut:
> > > I'll write this: the incorrect argument, not always fact-based, runs
> > > parallel with Russian propaganda.
> >
> > "[N]ot always fact-based"? Then show me where I am wrong.
> >
> > By "Russian propaganda", do you mean the sources I quoted and/or
> > referred to? Newsweek, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the BBC?
> >
> > Surely the Russians do propaganda. Why wouldn't they?
> >
> > But it wasn't them who told us about babies torn from incubators in
> > Kuweit, Ghaddafi's men taking Viagra or WMD in Iraq.
> >
> > I'll write this: the incorrect argument, not always fact-based, runs
> > parallel with US government (NATO/CIA/Western) propaganda.
> >
> >
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