more Ukraine research and thoughts.

[Joseph Tracy]

Rights have nothing to do with it. Rights will not save people from artillery shells. The US is a nation that ignores rights whenever it wants to. Rights are imaginary unless you can defend them. Ukraine has no cosmic right to bring Nato troops into their country and If they do bring them in,  let the cosmos defend them.  This whole thing is a bet that Russia will back down, or that US ‘punisment’ will protect Ukraine. I think those are bad bets. I do not want war and I think war is avoidable and freedom for Ukraine is on the table but not if they insist on Nato. I  think Russia is serious and my example of Cuba was legitimate. 

What if Russia attacks any foreign troops wherever they are as soon as they enter Ukraine  and anyone who attacks them in any form? How will that play out for Ukrainian Independence. How big of a war do you hope for? What if , like Afghanistan , but worse, we( Nato) get our asses kicked. Will that prove how right you were about how bad “they” are? Then what? What if Russia is not bluffing, or lying, but it is  the US once again pretending to be fucking Superman, once again catching on to our stupidity too late, after the damage is done.  Will my nephew in the air force find actual combat with Russian fighter pilots as fun as his video games?  
 How big of a war will satisfy the US. Will Jesus sort it all out after the holocaust? 

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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> THEREFORE Russia has the right to invade Ukraine. QED. Tracy logic. A vision right out of that Jocbean text in Lot 49.....
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> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:49 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> Hey, Cuba was a sovereign country too. And the US said no missiles. Which, I think made sense and the US backed off with some of its missiles which seemed to keep us for a while longer from a nuke ular holocaust, but we still did a blockade of this sovereign nation, which Obama ended but Biden continues,   It’s all kinda relative how some peope apply that concept, even, lets say,  selectively opportunistic. Maduro is the the elected leader of Venezuela in internationally monitored elections. But the US is attempting to starve them with a blockade. 'Sanctions' is euphemistic shit. Iran is a sovereign country too ,  but ok to starve them too and the chickenshit Eurocountries who said it was wrong still went along with it. Good ol sovereignty. Iraq was a sovereign country, lot of good it did them. Not a lot of respect for the sovereignty of Yemen or Ethiopia  on display. I could go on but i think the hypocrisy of how this claim is applied is evident. And not just evident but evident wth evidence. 
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>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> I did. 
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>> I said Ukraine is a sovereign country recognized that way by almost all the nations in the UN (and others). and under international law.
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>> read Roth on Harold Pinter. 
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>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:14 PM Hübschräuber <huebschraeuber at protonmail.com <mailto:huebschraeuber at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>> Why don't you just address my points?
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>> Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> schrieb am Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2022 um 21:09:
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>>> Yeah, I am as funny as the UN....and I reject all who want to redefine sovereignty. 
>>> Supposed intellectuals who do not respect the Law, international law...who are really my wayu or the highway and might makes rightists at base......
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>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:54 PM Hübschräuber <huebschraeuber at protonmail.com <mailto:huebschraeuber at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>> The sovereignty of Ukraine? You must be joking.
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>>> Back in 2014, the US Deputy Secretary of State selected the next President of Ukraine:
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>>> "I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea."
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>>> "Yats is the guy."
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>>> As a bonus: "Biden is willing."
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>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957>
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>>> Funny, how this phone call never ever gets mentioned. Funny, how nobody wants to know who committed the massacre on the Maidan that derailed the rather sensible agreement between the opposition and Yanukovich.
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>>> Harold Pinter:
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>>> "It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest."
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>>> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2005/pinter/25621-harold-pinter-nobel-lecture-2005/ <https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2005/pinter/25621-harold-pinter-nobel-lecture-2005/>
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