War Crimes have always been the Plan

[Joseph Tracy]

You guys have a bunch of Bullsit words  and are willing to ignore the actual photos and recordings of torture from Abu Graibh, the actual emails and court produced documentation of US government plans for the same. Same thing in Ukraine. Anyone can see footage taken by Ukrainian soldiers of them shooting Russian POWs in the leg one after another. On the Ukrainian side its all allegations without evidence. You have been trained to hate whoever you are told to hate and ignore the cimes of whoever’s crimes you are told to ignore. It is disgusting.  Soldiers do bad things in war, cut off fingers and penises, rape, theft, massacres. But regardless of what war does to humans you want to sit around and enjoy it vicarously like a tv show where you are identified with the good guys. But your good guys wear swastikas and murder civilians in markets in Donetsk. They shut down political opposition and media that they don’t  want Ukrainians to hear. They take weapons and sell them on the black market. 
Lavrov has been asking for the names of those killed in Bucha since the highly suspicious killings were announced. Why won’t they provide them or invite a balanced  UN investigation team? 
  The war crimes started with the murder by violent participants in an unnecessary coup of protestors in Odessa and continued with  the shelling of the Donbass and have never stopped for 8 years. 
   The fact that Putin is smarter, has been better for the Russian people than The US/Yelsin years and better than the soviet years,  and better than lyin Biden,  the lifelong nepotist and warmonger has been for the US has persuaded me to listen to what he is saying and I find it more credible and evidence based than your fulminating outrage that he exists and is standing up to a US/NATO abuse of Ukraine and to US global bullying.  
    You think the US will win because hollywood  and the Democrats have control of your imagination. The only peaceful victory will be on Russian terms of demilitarization and the reification of the current lines. Every other path leads to war and death of unknowable proportions.  Besides that the US does not win wars anymore than it wins hearts and minds. The US destroys places, civilians, dumps poison  on them, and then plants military bases for the next war. 
   
  

> On Oct 2, 2022, at 12:54 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/10/sullivan-russia-war-crimes-putin-00024278
> 
> National security adviser Jake Sullivan said Sunday that the war crimes
> committed by Russian forces in Ukraine were part of President Vladimir
> Putin’s master plan for the invasion.
> 
> “We, in fact, before the war began declassified intelligence and presented
> it,” Sullivan said on ABC’s “This Week,” “indicating that there was a plan
> from the highest levels of the Russian government to target civilians who
> oppose the invasion, to cause violence against them, to organize efforts to
> brutalize them in order to try to terrorize the population and subjugate
> it. So this is something that was planned.”
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